America's One Child Per Family Policy

[DL82]

Not a typo, I didn’t mean China.

Also not scaremongering about Obama and the possible abuse of FOCA.

Rather, an observation on the way America’s free market policy creates conditions which function no different from China’s centrally controlled government in restricting childbirth.

• Cost of giving birth in an American hospital ranges from around $3,000 with insurance to around $14,000 without it.
• American companies are only legally required to provide 1 month of maternity leave for workers.
• Average cost of a (public) college education in America is $13,000 a year and rising.
• Average holiday entitlement for full-time American workers is 10-12 days.
• Average cost of child daycare in America ranges from $3,000 to $13,000 a year. This can amount to 30% of average income for a single parent.

What are the consequences of all of these policies taken together with the rising cost of living and the almost universal need for blue collar and low-grade white collar workers to run a two-income household in order to pay the bills? What does it mean except that unplanned pregnancy=bankruptcy, and in a capitalist society bakruptcy=failure. The result - high rates of abortion are as inevitable in America as they are in China. These statistics are further borne out by the direct link that can be observed between abortion and high cost of living (the North East urban states 482 abortions per 1000 live births in New York, as opposed to 80 per 1000 in South Dakota and Idaho).

Just as in China, these women are having forced abortions. That’s not choice, that’s not something that anyone apart from merciless venture capitalists can support, it’s certainly not something any loving family can support. This is the kind of thing, in the new post-Bush political climate, that pro-life AND honest pro-choice campaigners can unite against, and the result will be to drive down the numbers of abortions, and to drive down public support for abortion.

Regardless of who does it and how they do it, whether it’s the Republicans with their support for legal restrictions on Abortion or Obama’s Democrats with their plans for a fairer, more caring economic and healthcare system, someone has got to do something about America’s one child per (average income) family policy.

Just as we acknowledge that the Chinese government has the power to end its’ repressive pro-abortion policy, so the American government has the power to end its’ tolerance of this heartless pro-abortion culture. The free market certainly isn’t going to do it for us!

This isn’t a ‘Obama’s really pro-life if you think about it’ post. I’m not saying that I support him, so please don’t flame me with radical Republican replies, all I’m doing is pointing something out that’s essential to bear in mind in the fight against abortion.

 

[06convert]

I don’t get it. Adoption is often less money than an abortion. I don’t think anyone is forced into an abortion. If you get into an adoption program at the beginning the adoptive parents will often pay all of the medial expenses associated with the pregnancy.

I would agree that being a parent is a very expensive undertaking, but it’s the selfishness of people and the value that people put on their sexual relationships, their status, their money and their time that encourages abortions. At least in this country.

 

[manualman]

Lifestyle is certainly a part of it. We need to reject the modern notion that 2,500SF, central air, cable TV, two cars, half acre lot, airline vacations, cell phones, 3 year computer life, etc are normal and expected parts of the American lifestyle.

Historically, nobody had all these things and somehow, many people wound up happy anyways. Nobody can blame a politician from either party for these expectations Americans have developed.

 

[pentecostbaby]

Lifestyle is certainly a part of it. We need to reject the modern notion that 2,500SF, central air, cable TV, two cars, half acre lot, airline vacations, cell phones, 3 year computer life, etc are normal and expected parts of the American lifestyle.

Historically, nobody had all these things and somehow, many people wound up happy anyways. Nobody can blame a politician from either party for these expectations Americans have developed.

Yes, yes, yes. If Dh and I wanted a huge house in the suburbs of a mjor city, several large TVs, an international vacation every year, iPods for all the kids, and the expense of a traveling soccer team, the YMCA, and super-premium digital cable, no way in heck would I be procreating.

We need to free ourselves from the idea that we all need William-Sonoma pasta cookers and Coach purses in order to be fully realized human beings. Oh yeah - and stop throwing stuff out.

 

[catharina]

Yes, yes, yes. If Dh and I wanted a huge house in the suburbs of a mjor city, several large TVs, an international vacation every year, iPods for all the kids, and the expense of a traveling soccer team, the YMCA, and super-premium digital cable, no way in heck would I be procreating.

We need to free ourselves from the idea that we all need William-Sonoma pasta cookers and Coach purses in order to be fully realized human beings. Oh yeah - and stop throwing stuff out.

Amen to that! What you said … SUPER.

 

[Exalt]

This isn’t a ‘Obama’s really pro-life if you think about it’ post. I’m not saying that I support him, so please don’t flame me with radical Republican replies, all I’m doing is pointing something out that’s essential to bear in mind in the fight against abortion.

President Obama has a plan for all but one of your points. You can find more information on www.whitehouse.gov.

• Cost of giving birth in an American hospital ranges from around $3,000 with insurance to around $14,000 without it.

President Obama is planning comprehensive health care reform, designed to “provide affordable, accessible health care for all Americans.” For those who want to keep their private insurance, they can - and expect up to $2,500 in savings. For the rest, they will have the opportunity to join in a public health care insurance plan, which should lower maternity costs significantly.

whitehouse.gov/agenda/health_care/

• American companies are only legally required to provide 1 month of maternity leave for workers.
• Average holiday entitlement for full-time American workers is 10-12 days.

I don’t think there are any plans by the current President, right now, to address the very specific issue of just one month of maternity leave. However, President Obama plans to expand the current legislation regarding paid medical/family leave, and you can read more about it here:

whitehouse.gov/agenda/family/

• Average cost of a (public) college education in America is $13,000 a year and rising.

President Obama plans a $4,000 tax credit for college students willing to do 100 hours of community service. I definitely agree, however, that we ought to do more than just this. Read more:

whitehouse.gov/agenda/education/

• Average cost of child daycare in America ranges from $3,000 to $13,000 a year. This can amount to 30% of average income for a single parent.

The President plans a tax break for working families, a raise to the minimum wage, an expansion to the earned income tax credit (which will help fight poverty generally), and an expansion to the child care tax credit (which specifically helps impoverished families) - and a bunch more. Read more:

whitehouse.gov/agenda/family/

Honestly, even though Obama supports a woman’s right to choose, he will do more to reduce the number of abortions than the last Republican President.

 

[Brendan]

I’ve got 5 kids.

When people ask me how I can afford to raise 5 children, I just let them know that it costs the same to raise one child as it does to raise five…every cent 'ya got.

 

[maryjk]

President Obama has a plan for all but one of your points. You can find more information on www.whitehouse.gov.

President Obama is planning comprehensive health care reform, designed to “provide affordable, accessible health care for all Americans.” For those who want to keep their private insurance, they can - and expect up to $2,500 in savings. For the rest, they will have the opportunity to join in a public health care insurance plan, which should lower maternity costs significantly.

whitehouse.gov/agenda/health_care/

I currently have a plan that would cover all but $300 for childbirth. The last thing I would want is a public health care. They do so well with public housing and public schools , do you really want them in charge of your health care?

I don’t think there are any plans by the current President, right now, to address the very specific issue of just one month of maternity leave. However, President Obama plans to expand the current legislation regarding paid medical/family leave, and you can read more about it here:

whitehouse.gov/agenda/family/

I don’t know where he got the one month from. Currently, HIPPA laws state you can get 12 weeks. That isn’t paid, but with Obama, money will be falling from the sky to pay for everything.

President Obama plans a $4,000 tax credit for college students willing to do 100 hours of community service. I definitely agree, however, that we ought to do more than just this. Read more:

whitehouse.gov/agenda/education/

He also plans mandatory community slave hours for public school kids. At least the college students will get something for it.

The President plans a tax break for working families, a raise to the minimum wage, an expansion to the earned income tax credit (which will help fight poverty generally), and an expansion to the child care tax credit (which specifically helps impoverished families) - and a bunch more. Read more:

whitehouse.gov/agenda/family/

What exactly is a “working family?” He isn’t planning a tax break. What he is planning is called an increase in welfare payments. It can’t be a tax break if you don’t pay taxes. A raise in the minimum wage could very well cause people to lose their job. If I can afford to pay 10 employees $200 a week, but now have to pay $250, guess what? Someone is getting laid off.

Honestly, even though Obama supports a woman’s right to choose, he will do more to reduce the number of abortions than the last Republican President.

Really??? How??? By lifting all restrictions? By making it that children wanting an abortion, don’t have to tell their parents? Maybe by funding abortions overseas? I don’t see a reduction in abortions in the future with Obama in office.

 

[mpi]

Not a typo, I didn’t mean China.

Also not scaremongering about Obama and the possible abuse of FOCA.

Rather, an observation on the way America’s free market policy creates conditions which function no different from China’s centrally controlled government in restricting childbirth.

• Cost of giving birth in an American hospital ranges from around $3,000 with insurance to around $14,000 without it.
• American companies are only legally required to provide 1 month of maternity leave for workers.
• Average cost of a (public) college education in America is $13,000 a year and rising.
• Average holiday entitlement for full-time American workers is 10-12 days.
• Average cost of child daycare in America ranges from $3,000 to $13,000 a year. This can amount to 30% of average income for a single parent.

What are the consequences of all of these policies taken together with the rising cost of living and the almost universal need for blue collar and low-grade white collar workers to run a two-income household in order to pay the bills? What does it mean except that unplanned pregnancy=bankruptcy, and in a capitalist society bakruptcy=failure. The result - high rates of abortion are as inevitable in America as they are in China. These statistics are further borne out by the direct link that can be observed between abortion and high cost of living (the North East urban states 482 abortions per 1000 live births in New York, as opposed to 80 per 1000 in South Dakota and Idaho).

Just as in China, these women are having forced abortions. That’s not choice, that’s not something that anyone apart from merciless venture capitalists can support, it’s certainly not something any loving family can support. This is the kind of thing, in the new post-Bush political climate, that pro-life AND honest pro-choice campaigners can unite against, and the result will be to drive down the numbers of abortions, and to drive down public support for abortion.

Regardless of who does it and how they do it, whether it’s the Republicans with their support for legal restrictions on Abortion or Obama’s Democrats with their plans for a fairer, more caring economic and healthcare system, someone has got to do something about America’s one child per (average income) family policy.

Just as we acknowledge that the Chinese government has the power to end its’ repressive pro-abortion policy, so the American government has the power to end its’ tolerance of this heartless pro-abortion culture. The free market certainly isn’t going to do it for us!

This isn’t a ‘Obama’s really pro-life if you think about it’ post. I’m not saying that I support him, so please don’t flame me with radical Republican replies, all I’m doing is pointing something out that’s essential to bear in mind in the fight against abortion.

The US is the most capitalist of the developed nations and it has the highest fertility rate (about 2.1, which is nearly twice the rate in many less capitalist European countries)

 

[mpi]

Not a typo, I didn’t mean China.

Also not scaremongering about Obama and the possible abuse of FOCA.

Rather, an observation on the way America’s free market policy creates conditions which function no different from China’s centrally controlled government in restricting childbirth.

• Cost of giving birth in an American hospital ranges from around $3,000 with insurance to around $14,000 without it.
• American companies are only legally required to provide 1 month of maternity leave for workers.
• Average cost of a (public) college education in America is $13,000 a year and rising.
• Average holiday entitlement for full-time American workers is 10-12 days.
• Average cost of child daycare in America ranges from $3,000 to $13,000 a year. This can amount to 30% of average income for a single parent.

What are the consequences of all of these policies taken together with the rising cost of living and the almost universal need for blue collar and low-grade white collar workers to run a two-income household in order to pay the bills? What does it mean except that unplanned pregnancy=bankruptcy, and in a capitalist society bakruptcy=failure. The result - high rates of abortion are as inevitable in America as they are in China. These statistics are further borne out by the direct link that can be observed between abortion and high cost of living (the North East urban states 482 abortions per 1000 live births in New York, as opposed to 80 per 1000 in South Dakota and Idaho).

Just as in China, these women are having forced abortions. That’s not choice, that’s not something that anyone apart from merciless venture capitalists can support, it’s certainly not something any loving family can support. This is the kind of thing, in the new post-Bush political climate, that pro-life AND honest pro-choice campaigners can unite against, and the result will be to drive down the numbers of abortions, and to drive down public support for abortion.

Regardless of who does it and how they do it, whether it’s the Republicans with their support for legal restrictions on Abortion or Obama’s Democrats with their plans for a fairer, more caring economic and healthcare system, someone has got to do something about America’s one child per (average income) family policy.

Just as we acknowledge that the Chinese government has the power to end its’ repressive pro-abortion policy, so the American government has the power to end its’ tolerance of this heartless pro-abortion culture. The free market certainly isn’t going to do it for us!

This isn’t a ‘Obama’s really pro-life if you think about it’ post. I’m not saying that I support him, so please don’t flame me with radical Republican replies, all I’m doing is pointing something out that’s essential to bear in mind in the fight against abortion.

Maternity benefits are inversely proportional to birth rates among all nations, and among developed nations. All they do is encourage women to work instead of doing what is, in most cases, their proper role - home taking care of kids.

 

[mpi]

Honestly, even though Obama supports a woman’s right to choose, he will do more to reduce the number of abortions than the last Republican President.

The more a government supports single mothers, the more the family in that country breaks down. The more this happens the more abotions there are.

 

[Corki]

Lifestyle is certainly a part of it. We need to reject the modern notion that 2,500SF, central air, cable TV, two cars, half acre lot, airline vacations, cell phones, 3 year computer life, etc are normal and expected parts of the American lifestyle.

Historically, nobody had all these things and somehow, many people wound up happy anyways. Nobody can blame a politician from either party for these expectations Americans have developed.

Yes, yes, yes. If Dh and I wanted a huge house in the suburbs of a mjor city, several large TVs, an international vacation every year, iPods for all the kids, and the expense of a traveling soccer team, the YMCA, and super-premium digital cable, no way in heck would I be procreating.

We need to free ourselves from the idea that we all need William-Sonoma pasta cookers and Coach purses in order to be fully realized human beings. Oh yeah - and stop throwing stuff out.

We have the same attitude about education and health care. It is only this current generation that expects Mommy and Daddy to pay the whole bill for higher education. I’m not that old but when I was in school, only the really rich kids were getting a free ride. The rest of us were working our way through school or doing alternate terms or co-ops.

Yes, it is can be expensive to give birth and thank goodness we have all the specialists when needed. But many people do just fine with home births, midwives, etc and have for generations.

I don’t know where he got the one month from. Currently, HIPPA laws state you can get 12 weeks. That isn’t paid,

I was shaking my head at that too. (But it’s the FMLA not HIPPA )

Maternity benefits are inversely proportional to birth rates among all nations, and among developed nations. All they do is encourage women to work instead of doing what is, in most cases, their proper role - home taking care of kids.

And two working parent households create a perceived “need” for all the goodies mentioned by other posters above. Vicious cycle.

 

[turtle18]

I’m not saying that I support him, so please don’t flame me with radical Republican replies, all I’m doing is pointing something out that’s essential to bear in mind in the fight against abortion.

But it’s okay to post radical Democratic replies?

Honestly, most Americans only have one child today due to selfishness,–they may claim it is economics but that argument breaks down when you see what they are spending their money on.

Raising one child can be a very expensive endeavour if you buy them every toy in the store, if you buy them clothes from BabyGap, & then justify your decision to buy a monster SUV because you need a tank to protect your one child.

 

[Sam_Maloney]

Not a typo, I didn’t mean China.

Also not scaremongering about Obama and the possible abuse of FOCA.

Rather, an observation on the way America’s free market policy creates conditions which function no different from China’s centrally controlled government in restricting childbirth.

• Cost of giving birth in an American hospital ranges from around $3,000 with insurance to around $14,000 without it.
• American companies are only legally required to provide 1 month of maternity leave for workers.
• Average cost of a (public) college education in America is $13,000 a year and rising.
• Average holiday entitlement for full-time American workers is 10-12 days.
• Average cost of child daycare in America ranges from $3,000 to $13,000 a year. This can amount to 30% of average income for a single parent.

What are the consequences of all of these policies taken together with the rising cost of living and the almost universal need for blue collar and low-grade white collar workers to run a two-income household in order to pay the bills? What does it mean except that unplanned pregnancy=bankruptcy, and in a capitalist society bakruptcy=failure. The result - high rates of abortion are as inevitable in America as they are in China. These statistics are further borne out by the direct link that can be observed between abortion and high cost of living (the North East urban states 482 abortions per 1000 live births in New York, as opposed to 80 per 1000 in South Dakota and Idaho).

Just as in China, these women are having forced abortions. That’s not choice, that’s not something that anyone apart from merciless venture capitalists can support, it’s certainly not something any loving family can support. This is the kind of thing, in the new post-Bush political climate, that pro-life AND honest pro-choice campaigners can unite against, and the result will be to drive down the numbers of abortions, and to drive down public support for abortion.

Regardless of who does it and how they do it, whether it’s the Republicans with their support for legal restrictions on Abortion or Obama’s Democrats with their plans for a fairer, more caring economic and healthcare system, someone has got to do something about America’s one child per (average income) family policy.

Just as we acknowledge that the Chinese government has the power to end its’ repressive pro-abortion policy, so the American government has the power to end its’ tolerance of this heartless pro-abortion culture. The free market certainly isn’t going to do it for us!

This isn’t a ‘Obama’s really pro-life if you think about it’ post. I’m not saying that I support him, so please don’t flame me with radical Republican replies, all I’m doing is pointing something out that’s essential to bear in mind in the fight against abortion.

So why is the US the only developed nation to have a birthrate above replacement level, while our far more socialist friends in the EU with what you seem to beleive are far more ‘family friendly’ policies in a state of demographic collapse?

Could it be that in a full blown welfare state, the state itself supersedes the family as the cornerstone of society? Who needs a spouse to help you through the hard times? Spouses leave, but the state will always be there. Who needs children? The state will benevolently make our decisions for us when we grow old…

 

[turtle18]

Honestly, even though Obama supports a woman’s right to choose, he will do more to reduce the number of abortions than the last Republican President.

Wow, pass the Kool-Aid!

And how does Obama’s plan to fund abortions overseas accomplish this?

Yeah, I guess that’s one little detail you forgot to mention. Why don’t you just take some of your own money out of your paycheck and send it to Planned Parenthood? Oh no, that would be immoral you say? You don’t “really” support abortion, etc.–right? It’s just okay for the government to do with your tax money what you are not okay to do with personally?

 

[Exalt]

The more a government supports single mothers, the more the family in that country breaks down. The more this happens the more abotions (sic) there are.

The more people have access to contraception and the more they feel they can support a child if the opportunity should arise - the less abortions will happen.

I said that President Obama will do more to reduce the number of abortions than the previous administration. What did the last President do? He helped ban partial-birth abortion - and that’s probably the only pro-life thing he ever did. On the other hand, abortion rates skyrocketed while he was in office, with most women citing a lack of ability to support a child, a lack of health insurance, and other factors that Bush did nothing about. Read:

e-thepeople.org/article/35976/view

 

[Viki63]

The more people have access to contraception and the more they feel they can support a child if the opportunity should arise - the less abortions will happen.

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It’s been shown that contraception leads to increased abortion, as well as higher divorce rates. If your contraception fails, the logical backup plan is an abortion. That’s why you get women who’ve had multiple abortions.

 

[mpi]

The more people have access to contraception and the more they feel they can support a child if the opportunity should arise - the less abortions will happen.

I said that President Obama will do more to reduce the number of abortions than the previous administration. What did the last President do? He helped ban partial-birth abortion - and that’s probably the only pro-life thing he ever did. On the other hand, abortion rates skyrocketed while he was in office, with most women citing a lack of ability to support a child, a lack of health insurance, and other factors that Bush did nothing about. Read:

e-thepeople.org/article/35976/view

factcheck.org/society/the_biography_of_a_bad_statistic.html

This shows that your stats on increasing abortions under Bush are junk - left wing lies that people like you want to believe.

 

[mpi]

The more people have access to contraception and the more they feel they can support a child if the opportunity should arise - the less abortions will happen.

I said that President Obama will do more to reduce the number of abortions than the previous administration. What did the last President do? He helped ban partial-birth abortion - and that’s probably the only pro-life thing he ever did. On the other hand, abortion rates skyrocketed while he was in office, with most women citing a lack of ability to support a child, a lack of health insurance, and other factors that Bush did nothing about. Read:

e-thepeople.org/article/35976/view

Even Planned Parenthood debunks the stats that you cite,

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/may/05053101.html

 

[DL82]

Another result of capitalism, whether through structural (creating artificial needs which present themselves as though they were natural needs which must be met for survival) or natural (human beings’ in-built greed which runs rampant unless checked) means, is that people feel they must put off starting a family until later and later to have financial security.

I’ve observed this in quite an extreme way in Scotland, where working class girls get pregnant at 15 or 16 (one cause of abortions) while professional people wait until their 30s to get married, and have children so late that they end up with lots of cases of Downs Syndrome children, other genetic problems, or having to resort to HRT and IVF to have children (yet another cause of abortions). It’s a human problem besides abortion, because one class sees children as an accident, the other as a consumer good, neither of these is a healthy relationship. It’s also a social worry because you’ve literally got one class living twice as long and reproducing twice as slowly as the other, and one class reproducing naturally while the other is using artificial means more and more, almost as if they’re trying to separate off from the rest of the species!