I am no fanatic. I am actually quite open about religous beliefs. I think you are overreacting.
Baptizing in the danger of death is not against Catholic teaching. I never said anything about baptizing another person’s child against their will under other circumstances. That’s their problem. I can still pray for all involved. But, there are times when action must take its place. We should baptize conditionally, by the way.
And, as far as persecution of the Jews goes, there are two sides to every story. Jews as a community, particularly orthodox and Hasidic, can be quite nasty to those who are not their own. I cared for these types in the hospital. Of course this is a generalization, but, it is part of their rules to shun us Goy. They could learn a lesson about politeness from the Amish.
It is quite known that they attempted to infiltrate the Church to destroy it from the inside. They also collaborated with the Muslims in Spain. The retaliation against the general community was harsh, indeed. But, those were different times, and we cannot judge any of it from today’s standards except to regret what was done. It was an emotional response to a desperate situation. (You’ll recall Japanese internment camps). People are fallible, emotional, and prone to cruelty with each other- especially when it comes to retaliation for a percieved wrong. This goes along with the teaching of my religion. My religion says I must show mercy. I must forgive, even to the point of allowing myself to die at the hands of an evil person.
Satanic rituals are not performed for the good of the person involved. That is not even close to a valid analogy. Try to look past the ceremony of it to the intention behind it.
I read the thread about the JW woman. You must forgive her. I know this is not part of your religion. It just proves my point. Only a loving heart would find its way to putting this aside after taking the proper steps, which have been done. I realize you are reacting in grief. But, your need to lash out and retaliate reminds me of that hideous Stephen King, going after that poor sap who hit him on the road. Where’s the love? I repeat, where’s the love?
Put it aside or your anger and hatred will consume you. You should feel sorry for her miserable condition and pray for her, and wish only for her ultimate good. That is what a Child of God is supposed to do. :harp:
You made so many generalizations and blatant mistakes, I have no idea where to begin!
As for religious Jews “shunning the goy”, excuse me? If that were the case, I’d have to shun half my family, all of my husband’s family, and the families of many Chasidic and Orthodox Jews I know. Do you know why?
Because my mother converted to Judaism from Catholicism, my husband converted to Judaism from the Baptist faith originally, and MANY Chasidic and Orthodox Jews I know are converts to Judaism, which means ALL their families are Gentiles!
There are MANY Gentiles who have converted to Judaism, and do you really think they are taught to hate their own family??
As for forgiveness “not being part of your religion”, holy cow, lady! Do you know ANYTHING AT ALL about how your own religion got started, and what religion is derives FROM?
Do you know what Yom Kippur is? Do you know that we Jews MUST forgive others or God does not forgive us?
Forgiveness is CENTRAL to Judaism, in so many ways!
As for that JW woman, she broke Federal law. Do you have any conception of what that means?
And she was fired not by me, but my her employers, who, incidentally, happen to be Christians (or so they said.)
And as for the Jews who became Catholics in the Middle Ages, you now accuse them of having joined to destroy the church from within? Do you know ANYTHING about history at all?
They were FORCED to join the Catholic religion, they joined only to save their lives! Do you think being forced to join made them love your religion or your god? I really don’t think so!
You know, we Jews can never win. When we’re forced to join a religion under threat of death, and then when the conversions don’t work out (gee, wonder why not?), WE are somehow to blame!
Listen, do us a favor: forget about trying to ‘save our souls’, and that way, we’ll BOTH be safe and happy…from each other.
You speak as if you are full of love, but I can tell the hate for Jews coming through what you said, because you espoused some of the same things that some traditionalist Catholics say, about “the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy”, when you falsely accused Jews of infiltrating the church to ruin it.
As nice as some Christians appear on the surface, the real deal is just underneath, waiting to burst forth.
You said it means nothing, and now you say it means what was posted by the OP
(going by traditionally Catholic definitions of the words, I assume).And, like one person pointed out, this herd of cats is even more diverse, not a representative sample of the population.