Amish Puppymill Farms?

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Has anyone ever heard of the puppymills in Lancaster P.A. run by the Amish? here is a link: religioustolerance.org/amish8.htm

Frankly, I don’t approve of it. According to the reports also, many treat them no different than chickens or mere crops. How much truth is there to this? Anyone have experience?

While i’m sure there is much truth to these reports, I think the media blows it out of proportion. Not every priest has molested children, Catholics and Protestants don’t murder one another over theological doctrines any longer, or don’t hunt down and murder the Amish as some use to. We’re human, and make mistakes.

The puppymills in my opinon is a sad act. Just as I disapprove of the orientials, especially in Korea, eating dogs on a daily basis, (dogs such as great big beautiful St. bernards). Not my culture, not my thing.

I’ve been to Lancaster county, LOVED it, going back hopefully this July. The Amish are a friendly, great people in my opinon, though I don’t agree with everything they do, and i don’t believe all run or support puppymills. Many of them hold a great respect for their animals, just as they do their crops, believing it is God’s creation. In truth though some of these articles, if true, make my blood boil because of the mistreatment of the animals.

You know what’s interesting? Why don’t people get up in arms for pigs? Pigs are just as smart–sometimes smarter than dogs, and can be very personal like dogs. And yet, they’re slaughtered on a daily basis in America.

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I’m probably going to sound like an idiot or a jerk.

The Catholic Church teaches that animals may be used for food, animals are not specified as being clean or unclean. While culturally dog meat is not common in the West, it may be culturally accepted elsewhere. With the Amish treating dogs as chickens, they would not be committing an immoral act if they are not torturing the animal (don’t think of a dog being treated as a chicken as torture). In Christianity we are able consume beef, yet in Hinduism, this is not the case. Someone of the Hindu tradition may be equally admonished by our treatment of cows.

But this is my two bits at least.

Pax

It should also be noted that the Jews did not think as highly of dogs as we do today. Christ, Himself, said “Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.” Mt 7:6. I don’t think dogs to be terrible creatures, but I do think that they receive a lot of personification in our culture.
 
ConallCernach said:
I’m probably going to sound like an idiot or a jerk.

The Catholic Church teaches that animals may be used for food, animals are not specified as being clean or unclean. While culturally dog meat is not common in the West, it may be culturally accepted elsewhere. With the Amish treating dogs as chickens, they would not be committing an immoral act if they are not torturing the animal (don’t think of a dog being treated as a chicken as torture). In Christianity we are able consume beef, yet in Hinduism, this is not the case. Someone of the Hindu tradition may be equally admonished by our treatment of cows.

But this is my two bits at least.

Pax

It should also be noted that the Jews did not think as highly of dogs as we do today. Christ, Himself, said “Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.” Mt 7:6. I don’t think dogs to be terrible creatures, but I do think that they receive a lot of personification in our culture.
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I agree with most of what you say. However, I think breeding, and slaughtering for food should be done humanely, and not as concentration camps, or prisons where no or barely any water is provided (that was one of the complaints about the Amish’s puppyfarms). And this is where “religious” people sometimes break my buttons, having no regard for animals because they’re not created in God’s image. Are they more important than people? Heaven forbid no, they are not. But they also do have feelings, personality, and characteristics. Some animals will show more love than some humans will their entire lives. I know that first hand from my golden sheperd, who I swear is a human behind the eyes. If we are going to breed them, or slaughter them for food, clothing and medicine, I think it should be done without crulety.

Interestingly about the Jews, and God’s “unclean” animal laws, a lot of those animals were smart creatures, while the “clean ones” were, well not so smart. this is not true in every case, but enough to cause interest. Me and a friend looked at this one time and counted but I forget the results 😃 Nevertheless, it was interesting at how many “unclean” animals, even the birds of the sky, were all very intellegent, and i often wonder if that was one of the many reasons the Jews did not eat them.

I do not think eating a dog is a sin. I think being cruel and degrading to a dog or any animal is a sin. I most definitely support free range farming and the process is starting to grow across America. It is not only humane for the beasts, but healthier for us. I hope it continues.

"Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you." Mt 7:6.

You know, I’ve always spiritualized this verse, I believe a meaning for it could be that a Christian should be careful overly preaching to those who have already heard, and are too arogant and blind to accept, and just do not want to listen anymore, and the more the christian continues to preach, the more angered the “dogs” will become, and may attack and tear us to pieces. I don’t know, just always though tof it like that 😃
 
I,m pretty sure that they are not breeding the dogs to eat them but i don,t doubt that some exist. There can be alot of money in dogs and it is one of Gov. Ed Rendel’s and the animal rights advocates big things right now. I think there was a big deal on a tv show like 20/20 or 60 minutes a few years ago on amish puppy mills so it goes back a few years now . I like dogs to but I,m sure these farmers are just treating these puppies like livestock which i wouldn,t find anything wrong with as long as they are being fed and are not mistreated. But since there is alot of money in puppies you probably will see the state stepping in more and more too get their fair share of the profits through fines and court costs and new animal control type agencies. there has just been an overhauling of our dog breeding laws in pa and they are exposing more and more of these mills but I,m sure that they are just an as equal perpetrator of these crimes as any other religion or race or nationality.No more an amish crime than anybody elses.No more/no less.
 
human_being said:
I,m pretty sure that they are not breeding the dogs to eat them but i don,t doubt that some exist. There can be alot of money in dogs and it is one of Gov. Ed Rendel’s and the animal rights advocates big things right now. I think there was a big deal on a tv show like 20/20 or 60 minutes a few years ago on amish puppy mills so it goes back a few years now .** I like dogs to but I,m sure these farmers are just treating these puppies like livestock which i wouldn,t find anything wrong with as long as they are being fed and are not mistreated**. But since there is alot of money in puppies you probably will see the state stepping in more and more too get their fair share of the profits through fines and court costs and new animal control type agencies. there has just been an overhauling of our dog breeding laws in pa and they are exposing more and more of these mills but I,m sure that they are just an as equal perpetrator of these crimes as any other religion or race or nationality.No more an amish crime than anybody elses.No more/no less.
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I agree 100%
 
The_Catholic said:
I agree with most of what you say. However, I think breeding, and slaughtering for food should be done humanely, and not as concentration camps, or prisons where no or barely any water is provided (that was one of the complaints about the Amish’s puppyfarms). And this is where “religious” people sometimes break my buttons, having no regard for animals because they’re not created in God’s image. Are they more important than people? Heaven forbid no, they are not. But they also do have feelings, personality, and characteristics. Some animals will show more love than some humans will their entire lives. I know that first hand from my golden sheperd, who I swear is a human behind the eyes. If we are going to breed them, or slaughter them for food, clothing and medicine, I think it should be done without crulety.

Interestingly about the Jews, and God’s “unclean” animal laws, a lot of those animals were smart creatures, while the “clean ones” were, well not so smart. this is not true in every case, but enough to cause interest. Me and a friend looked at this one time and counted but I forget the results 😃 Nevertheless, it was interesting at how many “unclean” animals, even the birds of the sky, were all very intellegent, and i often wonder if that was one of the many reasons the Jews did not eat them.

I do not think eating a dog is a sin. I think being cruel and degrading to a dog or any animal is a sin. I most definitely support free range farming and the process is starting to grow across America. It is not only humane for the beasts, but healthier for us. I hope it continues.

"Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you." Mt 7:6.

You know, I’ve always spiritualized this verse, I believe a meaning for it could be that a Christian should be careful overly preaching to those who have already heard, and are too arogant and blind to accept, and just do not want to listen anymore, and the more the christian continues to preach, the more angered the “dogs” will become, and may attack and tear us to pieces. I don’t know, just always though tof it like that 😃
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I’m not sure if animals have feelings so much as irascibility and bodily reactions. The reasons Jews probably did not eat certain animals were because God wanted to protect them from the diseases they carried, like pigs and ringworm.

I think you would be right on your interpretation of the Scripture I provided, but I was using it as an example that Christ used dogs as an expression of something that isn’t a high animal.

As for the other poster, I wasn’t talking about the puppy mills so much as oriental cultures which consume dog meat, sorry for any confusion.

Pax
 
JPUSC said:
Yeah, what’s wrong with people eating dogs if we eat other animals? Animal meat is food; there is nothing to “disapprove” of.

My future cheeseburger and bacon bits, oops I mean, cows and pigs can be made into pets as well. 😃

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8SFIrHNZy...u-Oc/s320/COL.SONORA+BABE+PIG+IN+THE+CITY.jpg
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The difference between commitment and involvement may be analyzed with a simple breakfast, like bacon and eggs.

The chicken was involved, but the pig was committed.

Pax
 
ConallCernach said:
I’m not sure if animals have feelings so much as irascibility and bodily reactions. The reasons Jews probably did not eat certain animals were because God wanted to protect them from the diseases they carried, like pigs and ringworm.

I think you would be right on your interpretation of the Scripture I provided, **but I was using it as an example that Christ used dogs as an expression of something that isn’t a high animal. **

As for the other poster, I wasn’t talking about the puppy mills so much as oriental cultures which consume dog meat, sorry for any confusion.

Pax
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I’m convinced they have feelings, especially K9’s, Pigs, Dolphins, and the Primates. Studies have shown not only this, but also personality. I’ve experienced it myself by owning and paying close attention to my animals too. Not so much like humans, nevertheless, feelings and personality can be shown in them. They’re not just empty walking piecies of earthly flesh, emotionless and void, where it doesn’t matter how they’re treated, as a lot of “religious” people tend to think. This is where I side on the atheists and agnostics side 🙂 By the way, i’m not speaking about you Pax, I’m talking about fanatics of the past, and even some in the present.

In Jesus’ time, dogs were considered unclean, I think He could just as well told the parable about pigs, or another “unclean” animal. But he mentioned dogs because it fit the parable better: “tear them to piecies.” Dog–wolves are indeed viscious creatures. And I agree the “uncleaness” was also for diceases, but I also think a little more for deeper reasons as well. I myself rarely eat pork, and probably am going to cease all together soon. I’m not going to be up in arms against those who do, I just personally want to give it up. Besides, I want a piggy for a pet one day 🙂
 
ConallCernach said:
The difference between commitment and involvement may be analyzed with a simple breakfast, like bacon and eggs.

The chicken was involved, but the pig was committed.

Pax
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The chicken will find itself soon enough at a KFC near you.

Anyway, to all you animal lovers out there, the Church has not made a definite statement on what happens to animals after they die.
 
JPUSC said:
The chicken will find itself soon enough at your local KFC.

Anyway, to all you animal lovers out there, the Church has not made a definite statement on what happens to animals after they die.
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KFC is disgustingly HORRIBLE!!! There is enough food in the world to eat besides that junk, talk about a concentration camp for chickens. Try farming your own chickens and eating them, and their eggs, much better and more humane.

But people are getting lazier and lazier. No one wants to garden or make a good meal, it’s all fast fast fast, rush rush rush, nasty nasty nasty. :rolleyes:
 
Hi,

Not everyone who runs a puppymill is Amish or Mennonite. However, it is estimated that out of 5,000 to 10,000 puppymills run in the U.S., that at least 2,000 of these are run by Amish or Mennonites.

Not all Amish or Mennonites treat their cash crop cruelly. Some vaccinate and give proper food, shelter, and exercise to the dogs. But a large percentage have been found by the ASPCA to keep the animals in horrific conditions. No proper vetting, food, water, shelter, exercise, etc… Dogs stuffed into small cages with no room to move. Cages stacked on top of one another so that the urine and feces run down on the dogs below. Dogs kept outside in all kinds of bad weather. Most of the Amish or Mennontes that run these puppymills are found in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

The Catholic Church teaches that animals do have their place in God’s creation. Animals should not be exploited or treated inhumanly. Some saints of the Church are even patron saints to animals such as St. Francis of Assisi and St. Martin of Tours.

There is a good article on the subject of puppymills in the April 13, 2009 issue of Newsweek.

God bless,

Jean
 
I dont think there is anything morally wrong with puppymills, other then they make some bad choices in their investments. We as the consumers have the economic right to pay more for a better breed and kept animal.
 
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