Amish Puppymill Farms?

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Puppymills are bad for many reasons, but I’ll just mention two.
  1. The momma dogs are continually bred until they are worn to death. Some momma dogs are even feral so when the local ASPCA raids the puppymill the momma dogs cannot be tamed and put in homes.
  2. The inbreeding in the puppymills causes birth defects in the puppies, which in turn makes these defects more common in the breed. An example would be hip dysplasia in german shepards.
In response to reason one, I will say that it does not seem Christian to behave in any such situation with actions that could be defined as ‘cruel’. Treating momma dogs like machines is cruel.

In response to reason two, I want to add that the inbreeding cheats the customer because they believe they are buying a healthy animal as a pet or investment, when in fact due to careless breeding they are buying an animal with severe defects.

HERE is an article about a puppy mill raid by authorities.

Please do not buy puppy mill puppies!
 
  1. The momma dogs are continually bred until they are worn to death. Some momma dogs are even feral so when the local ASPCA raids the puppymill the momma dogs cannot be tamed and put in homes.
  2. The inbreeding in the puppymills causes birth defects in the puppies, which in turn makes these defects more common in the breed. An example would be hip dysplasia in german shepards.
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Not every ‘puppy mill’ is guilty of this kind of thing, for one thing. Some breeders are labeled as ‘puppy mill owners’ simply b/c they don’t treat their animals like they’re children. In some areas the state laws make anyone having over a certain number of dogs (animals of one species) have a license - even if they’re not breeding. This is an extra expense that burdens rescue societies and animal foster homes. It does the breeder no good to abuse his/her animals in any way. Abused animals don’t breed as well, they don’t mature as well, they don’t produce as well. So actually, to mistreat your ‘cash crop’ is illogical and stupid for a breeder. I’m not denying that it happens, but people do the same thing to children! There are bad people in every walk of life. They should not make the whole group have a bad name.

For another, hip dysplasia (and other common genetic faults) are just as commonly found in champion bloodlines. The inbreeding that caused many of these genetic faults actually occurred back when the breeds were being established. Line breeding (a form of in-breeding) is very common in all domesticated animals b/c it concentrates the desirable traits into each subsequent generation. The difference between ‘puppy mills’ and ‘responsible breeders’ in regards to genetic defects is that the ‘responsible breeders’ will screen their puppies for the genetic defect, but the ‘puppy mills’ won’t. In horses at least, it is the buyers perogative & obligation to get a thorough vet-check prior to purchase. You can do the same for any puppy you buy & it will ensure that you get the healthiest, best puppy possible.

While I’m appalled at the conditions that some animals are kept, I’m more appalled at the blantant disrespect for human life that is MUCH more common and blatant in our society. Animals should be treated w/ dignity and compassion, but humans should be dealt with properly first IMO.
 
I do not advocate animal care at the expense of human care. I agree that abuses of humans takes priority in every case. And yes some defects in dogs are present in champion bloodlines.

However, I know from friends that work in breed rescue that in fact many puppy mills do exist, do abuse the momma dogs and do not care that their ‘product’ is inbred and suffers congenital defects. Many of these puppies end up in pet stores.

When someone wants to buy a purebred dog, I tell them to go to the breeder’s house, meet the puppy parents and siblings, and see how the living conditions are for the dogs. A simple procedure that can save a lot of heartache down the road.
 
The_Catholic said:
KFC is disgustingly HORRIBLE!!! There is enough food in the world to eat besides that junk, talk about a concentration camp for chickens. Try farming your own chickens and eating them, and their eggs, much better and more humane.

But people are getting lazier and lazier. No one wants to garden or make a good meal, it’s all fast fast fast, rush rush rush, nasty nasty nasty. :rolleyes:
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We’ve raised lots chickens,grow a garden & I still think KFC tastes great.🙂
 
BiologyBrain said:
Not every ‘puppy mill’ is guilty of this kind of thing, for one thing. Some breeders are labeled as ‘puppy mill owners’ simply b/c they don’t treat their animals like they’re children. In some areas the state laws make anyone having over a certain number of dogs (animals of one species) have a license - even if they’re not breeding. This is an extra expense that burdens rescue societies and animal foster homes. It does the breeder no good to abuse his/her animals in any way. Abused animals don’t breed as well, they don’t mature as well, they don’t produce as well. So actually, to mistreat your ‘cash crop’ is illogical and stupid for a breeder. I’m not denying that it happens, but people do the same thing to children! There are bad people in every walk of life. They should not make the whole group have a bad name.

For another, hip dysplasia (and other common genetic faults) are just as commonly found in champion bloodlines. The inbreeding that caused many of these genetic faults actually occurred back when the breeds were being established. Line breeding (a form of in-breeding) is very common in all domesticated animals b/c it concentrates the desirable traits into each subsequent generation. The difference between ‘puppy mills’ and ‘responsible breeders’ in regards to genetic defects is that the ‘responsible breeders’ will screen their puppies for the genetic defect, but the ‘puppy mills’ won’t. In horses at least, it is the buyers perogative & obligation to get a thorough vet-check prior to purchase. You can do the same for any puppy you buy & it will ensure that you get the healthiest, best puppy possible.

While I’m appalled at the conditions that some animals are kept, I’m more appalled at the blantant disrespect for human life that is MUCH more common and blatant in our society. Animals should be treated w/ dignity and compassion, but humans should be dealt with properly first IMO.
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I sure appreciate your posts.Lots of common sense.
Animals are great.Dogs are great.I have one.But they are not children.And you purchase dogs, not adopt them. If I see one more “adoption” site for dogs & cats in the newspaper…:rolleyes:
We have friends who are Mennonite & Amish.They take wonderful care of their livestock.It’s hard to imagine an Amish family that would mistreat their animals.
Puppy mills aren’t necessarily evil, but not a sound way to raise dogs unless they’re meant for the dinner table in an Asian country.😉
 
Cracker_Mom said:
We’ve raised lots chickens,grow a garden & I still think KFC tastes great.🙂
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To each his/her own. I still think KFC is absoluetly disgusting and horrific. Like I said, there is enough food in the world to eat as opposed to a chicken concentration camp. But hey, they’re just animals, who cares.
 
Just as I disapprove of the orientials, especially in Korea, eating dogs on a daily basis
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FYI, one usually says Asians nowadays.
The Catholic Church teaches that animals may be used for food, animals are not specified as being clean or unclean. While culturally dog meat is not common in the West, it may be culturally accepted elsewhere. With the Amish treating dogs as chickens, they would not be committing an immoral act if they are not torturing the animal (don’t think of a dog being treated as a chicken as torture). In Christianity we are able consume beef, yet in Hinduism, this is not the case. Someone of the Hindu tradition may be equally admonished by our treatment of cows.
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I agree. I don’t know how these animals were/are being treated, but just not getting what most consider to be the proper treatment for man’s best friend isn’t necessarily bad, IMO at least.
 
But the question is, do you refer to Russians as Asians? Or Arabs?
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Quite honestly, I have no idea. Personally, I would say Russian! 😃 I just wanted to let you know nicely before someone jumped on you IRL.
 
I’m quite aware of the popular use of Asian, but I always jump on the people who say it. I’ll illustrate my point:
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Pax
 
Ella said:
Link to some info:[

petshoppuppies.org](petshoppuppies.org)

petshoppuppies.org
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Showing one picture does not crueltly prove - especially this photo. Sorry, but that’s the way animals are kept in a vet clinic as well. All those animals in that photo appear to be clean, healthy, and alert. I personally don’t see the problem w/ that photo. Especially since we have no idea as to whether these animals are let out into a large run for portions of the day/night. We have no idea to how long they are kept in these cages. I can’t clearly see if there is any bedding in the cages, but even if not, that’s not cruelty. I don’t see any signs of excrement on the animals.

I admit, I did not go to your link b/c I tend to find extremist views tedious.

In case you haven’t noticed, most animals (dogs & cats) spend a large portion of their time asleep when domesticated & living indoors. Most animals (dogs & cats especially) are actually happier if they have a bed/home that may appear small to us, but is actually cozy to them. I had an 85 lbs lab/chow mix that LOVED to get inside my medium sized dog crate. He did it completely on his own & he would curl up & sleep in it for hours during the day/night. If you’d snapped a photo of him in that crate, you could probably try to make a case for me being cruel. However, that wouldn’t be the truth!

Suffice it to say, I don’t necessarily believe that everything labeled as ‘puppy mills’ are actually cruel, inhumane, wrong, evil, etc. There are definitely some well-documented examples of bad puppy mills. However, the good far outnumber the bad IMO & IME. Animals should be treated w/ compassion. However, they need not be treated like humans. They don’t need to be treated like humans & they don’t necessarily like being treated like humans. In some instances, the well-meaning pet owner who treats their animal like a human is actually causing just as much if not more damage to the animal that one of these ‘puppy mill’ owners.
 
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