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TaylorDonBarret
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look up the role of conscience in moral theology
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alphomega
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Look up grace in the CCC
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Tim_D
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Even St. Joan of Arc wasn’t so bold as to declare herself to be in a state of grace. If one has done things that are proscribed by the Church, then they must reconcile themselves to the Church and to Christ in the sacrament of confession before they present themselves for communion. That is the teaching of the Church, not whether one “feels” to be in grace.
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Tim_D
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A well formed conscience will not tell someone that it is allowable to receive while still in an objective state of sin.
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Bookcat
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Meaning that the thing itself is objectively gravely sinful. It a grave sin (mortal sin) in itself.
But where the subjective culpability is such that is not grave culpability.
Lack of full knowledge or deliberate consent where there is grave matter would mean a venial sin (subjectively culpably speaking) and thus not the loss of the state of grace.
That though does* not* mean per se that the person in that circumstance-and in a “second” invalid marriage-- may approach Holy Communion.
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Bookcat
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When a second invalid marriage though is involved - is *not *though up to a persons opinion. Such is a very different matter than other matters.
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Bookcat
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And Saint Paul would tell you that you must look too to the discipline of the Church regarding when a second invalid marriage is involved. To obey the Church.
(now is it possible there could be some rare case where the Church can allow an exception - as some might argue in interpreting AL? It is possible - that is up to the Church to determine but such would certainly NOT mean the couple could just examine themselves and approach Holy Communion. The Discipline of the Church in this matter can be seen clearly in the Catechism and Fam. Consortsio etc.-- This is a very different and important matter that has public importance).
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thistle
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They are not in a state of grace if they divorce and remarry without an annulment.
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Tantum_ergo
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I don’t oppose it per se, I question it.
I know it’s too late for you to change the title, OP, but for future reference, if you want to make a contraction for ‘you are’, it is 'you’re", not ‘your’. An easy way to know whether to use ‘you’re’ or ‘your’ is to rephrase it. If you can say ‘you are wrong’, then you know the contraction is ‘you’re’. If you cannot, say for example you want to say, “you took your purse”, you can’t say, ‘you took you are purse’, so you know it’s ‘your’.
The only time you’ll run into trouble if it you are talking about the olden ‘days of yore’. That is neither ‘your’ nor ‘you’re’ but yore.
You’re welcome.
I know it’s too late for you to change the title, OP, but for future reference, if you want to make a contraction for ‘you are’, it is 'you’re", not ‘your’. An easy way to know whether to use ‘you’re’ or ‘your’ is to rephrase it. If you can say ‘you are wrong’, then you know the contraction is ‘you’re’. If you cannot, say for example you want to say, “you took your purse”, you can’t say, ‘you took you are purse’, so you know it’s ‘your’.
The only time you’ll run into trouble if it you are talking about the olden ‘days of yore’. That is neither ‘your’ nor ‘you’re’ but yore.
You’re welcome.
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Gorgias
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Here’s the thing, though: is it possible for a person to be wrong about it? That is, can a person incorrectly discern whether they are in a state of grace? If so, then this is a very dangerous assertion to make – essentially, you could be advising people to commit sacrilege.
How about the CCC?
CCC 1786:
“Faced with a moral choice, conscience can make either a right judgment in accordance with reason and the divine law or, on the contrary, an erroneous judgment that departs from them.”
CCC 1801:
“Conscience can remain in ignorance or make erroneous judgments. Such ignorance and errors are not always free of guilt.”
Hmm… looks like the appeal to conscience isn’t the slam-dunk you’re making it out to be…
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Cathoholic
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TaylorDonBarret (with emphasis mine) . . .
It IS “possible” (with grace). But is it as simple as you lay out?
Henery VIII, did this and came up with a proverbial “green light” for himself.
Do you think he was correct, or do you think the Pope who admonished him was correct?
I mean if that’s “ALL” one has to do, well, . . . WHO do YOU think was right?
We must beware of injuring or killing our consciences. When we are steeped in sin, a conscience may be very “clouded”.
It is much easier to avoid sin than to depart from evil.
Adultery is a very real threat to our lifelong forming of consciences. It also serves as scandal or a bad example for others in society.
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TaylorDonBarret.
It IS “possible” (with grace). But is it as simple as you lay out?
Henery VIII, did this and came up with a proverbial “green light” for himself.
Do you think he was correct, or do you think the Pope who admonished him was correct?
I mean if that’s “ALL” one has to do, well, . . . WHO do YOU think was right?
We must beware of injuring or killing our consciences. When we are steeped in sin, a conscience may be very “clouded”.
It is much easier to avoid sin than to depart from evil.
Adultery is a very real threat to our lifelong forming of consciences. It also serves as scandal or a bad example for others in society.
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catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7518
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