Amputees

[Gertabelle]

I don’t mean to be argumentative, but you mentioned Calanda (sp) before and said its one example of many. I asked for one more and you posted Calanda again. Is there one more example of God restoring a limb, limbs, fingers, toes etc. or not?

Also not trying to be argumentative, but have you spent any time doing these searches yourself?



You are the one who wants this information. You obviously have internet access.

Personally, I have many, many, many other interests and duties to pursue. I do hope you find what you are looking for. But even though I am aware of God healing amputees, I am just not going to spend time researching it for you.

I would suggest you search for accounts of the healings at Lourdes. There are amputees among them, as well as people who had been disfigured from birth or later in life.

But you are going to have to look it up yourself. I need to get ready for work.

 

[prodromos]

I haven’t, but that doesn’t change what is in the Scriptural text.

Reread that chapter with the understanding he had no eyes and the response of people to his healing will make perfect sense. Jesus healed other blind people and nothing more is said of them whereas with this man, people weren’t willing to accept he was the same man, just someone who happened to look like him.

Which of the ECF say the man in question had no eyes?

St John Chrysostom, St Irenaeus, St Basil the Great. I know there are others but I don’t have those details handy. It is also in the hymns for the 6th Sunday of Pascha (Sunday of the Blind Man)

 

[GEddie]

Reread that chapter with the understanding he had no eyes and the response of people to his healing will make perfect sense. Jesus healed other blind people and nothing more is said of them whereas with this man, people weren’t willing to accept he was the same man, just someone who happened to look like him.

St John Chrysostom, St Irenaeus, St Basil the Great. I know there are others but I don’t have those details handy. It is also in the hymns for the 6th Sunday of Pascha (Sunday of the Blind Man)

The verse made sense to me even without that interpretation.

Blindness was common in that place and time. Things like cataracts are still common in those latitudes. Human eyes aren’t made for such intense sunlight. So, someone who once could see, becoming blind, and then seeing again, would not be earth-shocking.

But someone born blind would never see naturally even if the eyes were physically there. Even now, when birth-blindness is cured by surgery the sense of sight doesn’t always “take.”

Thank you for the references.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Faith1960]

Also not trying to be argumentative, but have you spent any time doing these searches yourself?



You are the one who wants this information. You obviously have internet access.

Personally, I have many, many, many other interests and duties to pursue. I do hope you find what you are looking for. But even though I am aware of God healing amputees, I am just not going to spend time researching it for you.

I would suggest you search for accounts of the healings at Lourdes. There are amputees among them, as well as people who had been disfigured from birth or later in life.

But you are going to have to look it up yourself. I need to get ready for work.

I did look them up myself and I’m not finding “many”. Also, I never read of an amputee being restored at Lourdes.

 

[GEddie]

I did look them up myself and I’m not finding “many”. Also, I never read of an amputee being restored at Lourdes.

Good point, FLX.

One point I have heard raised more than once by nonbelievers is, “Why do we never see artificial limbs left behind as unneeded in Lourdes and Fatima??”

ICXC NIKA

 

[Faith1960]

Good point, FLX.

One point I have heard raised more than once by nonbelievers is, “Why do we never see artificial limbs left behind as unneeded in Lourdes and Fatima??”

ICXC NIKA

Yep.

 

[Faith1960]

I’ve been Googling for days–not counting all the Googling I’ve done over the years about this topic.

Are the “many” examples of limbs being restored from the Azusa Street Revival from the early 1900’s? If so, are those examples even credible?

 

[Faith1960]

There’s no new information, FLX, dear.

An instance of human limb regeneration, if confirmed, would instantly be world news.

So without new information, what can be gained by re-asking?

ICXC NIKA

Then WHY can’t or won’t God restore amputated limbs?

Somebody, somewhere please give me an answer that makes sense. This is really affecting my faith.

 

[Faith1960]

catholicexchange.com/st-padre-pio-fountain-gods-healing

Here it tells a story of St. Padre Pio’s prayer restoring vision to an eye which was smashed by the explosion. Allegedly, St. Pio said to the healed worker: “You have no idea what this cost me.”

Everything is possible with God. Even curing the amputees. I am sure, there are more stories about their miraculous curing here and there.

However, miraculous healing is only a “temporal grace”. All the saints will enjoy full health when they attain beatific vision. Getting it in this mortal life is only an “advance payment”, a pretaste of the future glory.

The skeptics demand to see a miracle of restoring lost limbs, so that they may believe. But this is not what God want. He showed visible signs publicly at His Fist Coming. If the skeptics do not believe them, they won’t believe if someone rises from the dead (Luke 16:31). :dts:

That’s an amazing story but it’s not am amputated limb.

 

[Faith1960]

I read on catholic Online that St. John of Damascus, that it’s said in his biography, written a couple hundred years after his death that his hand was cut off but after prayer to Our Lady, had hid hand restored.

Even this article, coming from a Catholic site says it’s likely a legend.

 

[GEddie]

That’s an amazing story but it’s not am amputated limb.

An eye out of the head should be considered in the same category as a limb off the body, as neither case will be healed naturally.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Gertabelle]

Then WHY can’t or won’t God restore amputated limbs?

Somebody, somewhere please give me an answer that makes sense. This is really affecting my faith.

Then you need to speak with your pastor about this.

Your problem then is not about not having “enough” examples of miracles that meet your standards. Your problem is that your faith hinges on whether or not you see the number and type of miracles you think God should be performing.

Please, call your parish and make an appointment to meet with your pastor.

I’m outta here.

 

[Faith1960]

An eye out of the head should be considered in the same category as a limb off the body, as neither case will be healed naturally.

ICXC NIKA

True.

 

[Faith1960]

Then you need to speak with your pastor about this.

Your problem then is not about not having “enough” examples of miracles that meet your standards. Your problem is that your faith hinges on whether or not you see the number and type of miracles you think God should be performing.

Please, call your parish and make an appointment to meet with your pastor.

I’m outta here.

I talked to my Bible study teacher, who is a theologian, and feel better now. And no, I’m not going to share what she said for fear of an argument.

 

[e_c]

I don’t mean to be argumentative, but you mentioned Calanda (sp) before and said its one example of many. I asked for one more and you posted Calanda again. Is there one more example of God restoring a limb, limbs, fingers, toes etc. or not?

I posted the page where you can contact the person I’m trusting on the claim of “many more.” And I reposted Calanda afterward.

Here’s the real deal - not everything is online, believe it or not. I personally know an amputee healed through Lourdes… not documented, not Google-able, and not exactly what you would expect either, in more ways than one. But I can introduce you to the guy if you reallllly want!

There is loads of stuff that goes on in this world that is not digitally researchable. Heck, not even all of the writings of the Fathers are available online.

The Word became flesh after all, not a pdf.

 

[Faith1960]

I posted the page where you can contact the person I’m trusting on the claim of “many more.” And I reposted Calanda afterward.

Here’s the real deal - not everything is online, believe it or not. I personally know an amputee healed through Lourdes… not documented, not Google-able, and not exactly what you would expect either, in more ways than one. But I can introduce you to the guy if you reallllly want!

There is loads of stuff that goes on in this world that is not digitally researchable. Heck, not even all of the writings of the Fathers are available online.

The Word became flesh after all, not a pdf.

Can you tell us more about the amputee you know who was cured at Lourdes?

 

[e_c]

Can you tell us more about the amputee you know who was cured at Lourdes?

Why? Can you not take my word for it? How will details help?

Also - it wasn’t even “at” Lourdes, but “through” Lourdes (and unknowingly at that), as I was careful to say. Which I think is even cooler…

You have an image in your head about what I am saying occurred. That image is wrong. He remains disfigured. However, after washing his hands with a bottle of water from Lourdes - which he did not know was from Lourdes - his terrible chronic phantom pain quite suddenly disappeared and has never returned.

Now, you might say, “Well God could have just fixed his fingers instead!” And yet then he wouldn’t have the same opportunity to talk about that healing, would he. And talk about it he does - and now here I am talking about it.

Maybe there would be some hype initially if his fingers regrew, but then would come the skepticism from outside. And after all, even if they did grow back, they are just a few fingers, not a WHOLE LIMB. “Now THAT would be convincing.” Why? How is it any more miraculous? It’s not, it’s just showier. Pain “inexplicably” disappearing, fingers regrowing, a limb regrowing, St. Joseph Cupertino flying around town… all equally miraculous.

We have to learn to resist the Second Temptation with Jesus and not “test” God. “Just do THIS, and that will be enough.” No, no… He knows what is enough, not us.

Anyway, here’s something even more impressive, and far showier than some measly limb growing back:

tanbooks.com/index.php/saints-who-raised-the-dead-true-stories-of-400-resurrection-miracles.html

You’ll notice that among the commands given to the Twelve in Mattew 10, there is nothing about regrowing limbs, but there is something about raising the dead. Go figure.

If God could be puzzled, I think He would be at our obsession with amputees… and many people have this obsession… Maybe that is part of the point of it - to give us something to obsess about and overcome. He is raising the dead after all! Isn’t that even better? God gets to decide about what miracles happen. Let’s trust His wisdom.

 

[GEddie]

Why? Can you not take my word for it? How will details help?

Also - it wasn’t even “at” Lourdes, but “through” Lourdes (and unknowingly at that), as I was careful to say. Which I think is even cooler…

You have an image in your head about what I am saying occurred. That image is wrong. He remains disfigured. However, after washing his hands with a bottle of water from Lourdes - which he did not know was from Lourdes - his terrible chronic phantom pain quite suddenly disappeared and has never returned.

Now, you might say, “Well God could have just fixed his fingers instead!” And yet then he wouldn’t have the same opportunity to talk about that healing, would he. And talk about it he does - and now here I am talking about it.

Maybe there would be some hype initially if his fingers regrew, but then would come the skepticism from outside. And after all, even if they did grow back, they are just a few fingers, not a WHOLE LIMB. “Now THAT would be convincing.” Why? How is it any more miraculous? It’s not, it’s just showier. Pain “inexplicably” disappearing, fingers regrowing, a limb regrowing, St. Joseph Cupertino flying around town… all equally miraculous.

We have to learn to resist the Second Temptation with Jesus and not “test” God. “Just do THIS, and that will be enough.” No, no… He knows what is enough, not us.

Anyway, here’s something even more impressive, and far showier than some measly limb growing back:

tanbooks.com/index.php/saints-who-raised-the-dead-true-stories-of-400-resurrection-miracles.html

You’ll notice that among the commands given to the Twelve in Mattew 10, there is nothing about regrowing limbs, but there is something about raising the dead. Go figure.

If God could be puzzled, I think He would be at our obsession with amputees… and many people have this obsession… Maybe that is part of the point of it - to give us something to obsess about and overcome. He is raising the dead after all! Isn’t that even better? God gets to decide about what miracles happen. Let’s trust His wisdom.

I would like to purchase that book. But Amazon keeps switching me to “Life of Saint Benedict.” How do I get around this glitch?

 

[Faith1960]

I would like to purchase that book. But Amazon keeps switching me to “Life of Saint Benedict.” How do I get around this glitch?

I’d just wait awhile and try again.

 

[GEddie]

I’d just wait awhile and try again.

Will do that.