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I think we’re getting off track. Does a woman have the right to deny any Homo sapiens use of her body?
The question has been asked and answered. No. A pregnant woman does not have the right to deny her own child the “use of her body”. Her child has a right to live that is equal to her own right to live. She is obligated to attempt to safely deliver her child.
 
I think we’re getting off track. Does a woman have the right to deny any Homo sapiens use of her body?
No, a woman does not have an unconditional right to do as she wishes with her body. She does not have right to deny her child the right to live in her body.
 
I think we’re getting off track. Does a woman have the right to deny any Homo sapiens use of her body?
If a woman chooses to DENY a child use her body to be nurtured until able to survive outside the womb, she should exercise her RIGHT to say no to sex.
 
A woman has a right to deny access to her body, for that matter a man or woman has a right to do what they wish with their body, but not an absolute right. A woman has every right to deny a rapist or any abuser use of her body and would be justified using force to stop an attack on her person. A man would also have that right. That right does not extend to the extent that they may harm any innocent person in the process. In the case of the child this is what would happen. It may be legal in our country but that law is unjust and not truly legal. It just can’t be prosecuted.
 
That right does not extend to the extent that they may harm any innocent person in the process. In the case of the child this is what would happen.
In the case of rape it would be the original victim, the mother, making a victim out of her child. Does her being a victim give her the RIGHT to victimize another? That is what this rationalization comes down to. Her body, her person was violated so, according to the abortionist rationalization, she has the right to violate the body, the person of her child.

To user CeaselessMedik, have you ever considered that the child and their life may be the only good thing to come out of the horrific act that is rape?
 
I think we’re getting off track. Does a woman have the right to deny any Homo sapiens use of her body?
The difficulty with this question is that it presupposes that an unborn child has no right to life. If an unborn child has a right to life, then why does a woman’s so-called “right” to control her body take precedence over that child’s right to life?

If we balance the rights and the relative harm, it really doesn’t. A pregnancy only requires the use of a woman’s body for a limited period of time; placing the woman’s right to control her body ahead of the child’s completely terminates the child’s right to life.
 
A pregnancy only requires the use of a woman’s body for a limited period of time…
9 months vs. A LIFETIME. If the mother truly does not want the child let me know, I’ve worked in adoption services for over 5 years and newborn babies are always in high demand from thousands of potential adoptive parents.

If not me get ahold of former Planned Parenthood director Abby Johnson. She told me, “I’ll take every one of them!”
 
If a baby is literally dropped on your doorstep, he would diwe if you left it therre. Does that mean you are obligated to care for him?

If she was raped?
If someone has to be killed why is it the innocent child and not the rapist?
 
The question has been asked and answered. No. A pregnant woman does not have the right to deny **her own child **the “use of her body”. Her child has a right to live that is equal to her own right to live. She is obligated to attempt to safely deliver her child.
The bolded is an important distinction. But a woman creates (intentionally or not) a new life and has certain obligations to that new life.

Abortion gets a lot of traction because it is related to sex and today sex is seen as a right with no boundries or obligations. But lets look at a non-sexual example.

Does a homeowner have the right to deny anyone entry into his/her home? Not unconditionally. The homeowner must allow entry to his/her children and other dependents. His/her obligation to those dependents supercedes his/her personal property rights.

In the same way a woman’s obligation to her dependant child supercedes any right to bodily autonomy. A woman can deny access to her body to virtually all other people in the world, but not to her OWN dependent offspring.
 
Is it not true that a woman may deny another human use of her body? I’m not saying the fetus is her body, or that it’s acceptable to dismember him/her to remove him/her from the uterus. Also note I’m agnostic.
The baby is an innocent. If you find a baby “squatting” in your vacant rental property you may not throw the child in the bin, or put him out on the street. You may not do as you please in order to assert your property rights.
 
I think we’re getting off track. Does a woman have the right to deny any Homo sapiens use of her body?
There are times and circumstances where such a right can be asserted, and times and circumstances where it cannot. The morality of the act of “denial” needs to be assessed. Evicting the unborn child (abortion) will never be found moral if Catholic moral principals are applied.
 
The bolded is an important distinction. But a woman creates (intentionally or not) a new life and has certain obligations to that new life.

Abortion gets a lot of traction because it is related to sex and today sex is seen as a right with no boundries or obligations. But lets look at a non-sexual example.

Does a homeowner have the right to deny anyone entry into his/her home? Not unconditionally. The homeowner must allow entry to his/her children and other dependents. His/her obligation to those dependents supercedes his/her personal property rights.

In the same way a woman’s obligation to her dependant child supercedes any right to bodily autonomy. A woman can deny access to her body to virtually all other people in the world, but not to her OWN dependent offspring.
Whose child this is does not matter. If a woman woke to find that another couple’s child had been implanted in her womb, she would have no right to evict (abort) the child. Such would be an immoral act. The child is an innocent human being and may not be murdered.
 
For a (his) personal opinion?
And I was asking a question, not trying for an argument. @.@
Honestly, CeaselessMedik, the best advice any of us could offer would be to recommend that you read Trent Horn’s book, Persuasive Pro-Life. It covers all of the situations you discuss and more, and would offer a much more comprehensive coverage of this topic than we can provide on this forum.
 
OP, I believe your original question has been answered. Do you have anything further to ask on this point?
 
I don’t know if it’s okay to “rez” an old thread, but my issue now is “when doles a fetus become a person?” What are your views?
 
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