An error correction in regards to Rev. 21:27

[zeland]

I noticed the following error in a post by Wesrock. Perhaps it was just a slip of the tongue, but I thought I should make mention of it.

He wrote in reply to someone else.

If we follow Jesus and all Jesus teaches does that make us the elect and God knows who will follow Jesus?

If you do so 'til death, yes. But not everyone who receives God’s graces will persevere until the end. People can lose justification after receiving it. There are Protestants who say that if a person leaves the faith they were never justified, but that isn’t the Catholic position.

[quoteIs the elect all peoples, just followers of Jesus or just the Catholic Church? I was taught that salvation is in the Catholic Church.only. I know that the CCC has a few exceptions to this teaching.
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The elect are all those who will eventually be made perfect in Heaven.

This is not true. We must be perfect before we can enter heaven (Rev 21:27). This is the purpose of Purgatory – to make us perfect if we do not achieve perfection in this life.

 

[CRM_Brother]

In a sense, you could both correct. It depends upon which aspect of the soul you are looking towards for perfection.

The transition of the soul between purgatory and heaven is specific to the perfection of virtue. Man’s actions and will must be purified of imperfect habitual tendency before the soul is raised to heaven. In this case, you are correct. These portions of our souls must be perfectly purified before we enter into the Beatific Vision.

Now, just because we perfect our wills and actions, does not mean that the human person, as a whole, is now perfect. Man is inherently imperfect. We are finite and thus cannot achieve metaphysical perfection. This is the perfection of the existence of our souls. This can only be done when there is no barrier between the human soul and God. It is in the Beatific Vision that we find this perfection of our existence through the all-encompassing presence of God. In this sense, @Wesrock was correct. It is only after the human will and action is purified and after the human enters into the Beatific Vision in heaven that the entirety of the human soul reaches its perfection.

On a side note, it is not proper forum decorum to point out someone’s perceived mistake instead of addressing it in line with the original thread. Doing it this way removes the original poster and does not allow them to respond or clarify what they had posted.

 

[BT3241]

You can’t reach perfection you can only be washed in the blood of Christ so God the father sees the sacrifice not your sins. What does the bible say - everyone falls short.

 

[zeland]

Dear BT3241,

Thank you for your reply. However I must disagree with your opening statement. Your statement here sounds very Protestant. Many of the saints achieved perfection in this life, and went straight ti heaven when they died,

If we are not perfect before we die, then we go to Purgatory and its in the Bible. Protestantism is a great heresy, and does not get anyone to heaven (Mark 16:16; Matt 28:19-20).

 

[zeland]

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CRM_Brother

    April 19

In a sense, you could both correct. It depends upon which aspect of the soul you are looking towards for perfection.

The transition of the soul between purgatory and heaven is specific to the perfection of virtue. Man’s actions and will must be purified of imperfect habitual tendency before the soul is raised to heaven. In this case, you are correct. These portions of our souls must be perfectly purified before we enter into the Beatific Vision.

Now, just because we perfect our wills and actions, does not mean that the human person, as a whole, is now perfect. Man is inherently imperfect. We are finite and thus cannot achieve metaphysical perfection. This is the perfection of the existence of our souls. This can only be done when there is no barrier between the human soul and God. It is in the Beatific Vision that we find this perfection of our existence through the all-encompassing presence of God. In this sense, @Wesrock was correct. It is only after the human will and action is purified and after the human enters into the Beatific Vision in heaven that the entirety of the human soul reaches its perfection.

On a side note, it is not proper forum decorum to point out someone’s perceived mistake instead of addressing it in line with the original thread. Doing it this way removes the original poster and does not allow them to respond or clarify what they had posted.