An EV comments on the ongoing struggle between Catholics and LDS. PART II

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dianaiad:
It is a logical restatement of the ‘priesthood of all believers’ viewpoint.
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Hi,

Well, actually not really.
Priesthood of all believers means that we are all priests and that therefore no specific priest hood is required.
I think the main difference between evangelicalism and Catholicism is that we have an entirely different preception of to whom the speeches to Jesus are (like John 21:15-17, or Luke 10:16)
We, the evangelicals, believe that this refers to ALL believers. The Catholics i.e. believe that this refers ONLY to the apostles who were the first priests.
I think in this manner the “priesthood for all believers” came into being.
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dianaiad:
No sir. Either it is required, or it is not. This isn’t a grey area or a false dichotomy. If there is, at any time, a situation in which the priesthood is NOT required for something that is ordinarily reserved to the priesthood, then it’s—not required.

Seems simple enough to me, anyway.
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I don’t like speaking for the Catholics (as my knowledge about Catholic Doctrine is rather poor) but I think that the priesthood IS required there. - For all 7 sacraments.
The thing of the emergancy baptism is to be understood from the point of view that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation.
By the way: we are JUST talking about real emergancy cases (which are thank god not that often!)

In Christ,
Esdra

Here the original thread to read up: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=7121245#post7121245
 
The catechism describes the differences in the priesthoods here. It is the “ministerial priesthood” that is comprised of priests, bishops, etc.

1119 Forming “as it were, one mystical person” with Christ the head, the Church acts in the sacraments as "an organically structured priestly community."36 Through Baptism and Confirmation the priestly people is enabled to celebrate the liturgy, while those of the faithful "who have received Holy Orders, are appointed to nourish the Church with the word and grace of God in the name of Christ."37

**CatholicGuy has been pointing out correctly that in the sacraments we receive a special graces, which source can only be from Christ, not the priest. Baptism is one of seven sacraments: Baptism, Confirmation (or Chrismation), the Eucharist, Penance, the Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders and Matrimony. For example in this last, the priest “assists” in the sacrament, but it actually administered by the couple to each other (Which is why I cringe when I hear “the priest married us” when you really mean you married each other - the whole transisitive verb thing). The grace received by the sacrament, is again from Christ. **

1120 The ordained ministry or ministerial priesthood is at the service of the baptismal priesthood.38 The ordained priesthood guarantees that it really is Christ who acts in the sacraments through the Holy Spirit for the Church. The saving mission entrusted by the Father to his incarnate Son was committed to the apostles and through them to their successors: they receive the Spirit of Jesus to act in his name and in his person.39 The ordained minister is the sacramental bond that ties the liturgical action to what the apostles said and did and, through them, to the words and actions of Christ, the source and foundation of the sacraments.

Also, here is what is written about children, the church holds hope for their salvation:

1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
 
"I think the main difference between evangelicalism and Catholicism is that we have an entirely different preception of to whom the speeches to Jesus are (like John 21:15-17, or Luke 10:16)

We, the evangelicals, believe that this refers to ALL believers. The Catholics i.e. believe that this refers ONLY to the apostles who were the first priests. I think in this manner the “priesthood for all believers” came into being. "

I’m late to the conversation so my comments may already have been covered.

The Apostolic priesthood was an authoritarian body who determined kosher foods, baptism vs. circumcision, Sunday vs. Saturday worship, worship liturgy, catechesis training, the writing of the Scripture, the sending of the disciples and the Apostles, etc.

A tradition of knowledge that Catholics have held to as Sacred (Scripture, Tradition and Magistarium).

Do Evangelicals have & hold one central understanding of the faith? One “priesthood” of belief about the Bible and about themselves and their church?
 
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The catechism describes the differences in the priesthoods here. It is the “ministerial priesthood” that is comprised of priests, bishops, etc.
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As St. Paul told us almost 2000 years ago…

“But I have written very boldly to you on some points so as to remind you again, because of the grace that was given me from God, to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 15:15-16 NASB)

God bless.
 
As Catholics, I don’t think we reject the idea of “priesthood of all believers” (from the CCC):

1591 The whole Church is a priestly people. Through Baptism all the faithful share in the priesthood of Christ. This participation is called the “common priesthood of the faithful.” Based on this common priesthood and ordered to its service, there exists another participation in the mission of Christ: the ministry conferred by the sacrament of Holy Orders, where the task is to serve in the name and in the person of Christ the Head in the midst of the community.

1592 The ministerial priesthood differs in essence from the common priesthood of the faithful because it confers a sacred power for the service of the faithful. The ordained ministers exercise their service for the People of God by teaching (munus docendi), divine worship (munus liturgicum) and pastoral governance (munus regendi).

I think that we would say that the existence of the “common priesthood of the faitful” does not exclude a special vocation for priests.
 
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