You say that, but I am the one who is actually quoting scripture to support my case. (See my full response in my recent reply to SteveVH.)
The LDS baptism doesn’t make one a Catholic just like a Catholic baptism doesn’t make one a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I think everyone is fine with that.
I am a Christian. We are simply talking about two different definitions of the word Christian. (See my full response in my recent reply to SteveVH.)
I’ve quoted more than enough Scripture on this site to defeat your arguments. What good would it do to quote more if you ignore it anyway? You want to read it, do a search.
And notice I said, Christian, not just Catholic. Don’t revise and twist. Those are techniques of the Enemy.
The issue we are discussing is whether or not baptism in the name of
your “godhead” makes you Christian. The explanation of your godhead rejects real Trinitarian doctrine in favor of a mishmash of monotheism and polytheism, akin to Hinduism. It is therefore not the same as the Trinity meant by Christians, simply because you mean something different when if you say, “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”
You clearly seek to redefine what it is to be Christian in order to apply it to yourself. The fact is, none of us get to redefine what it is to be Christian in order to apply it to ourselves. Look at 2 Corinthians 3:18 To look on with an unveiled face and be transformed by the Spirit means that we must allow ourselves to be conformed to Christ, not that we conform Christ to us. It is good that you try to follow Jesus’ teachings, but you need correction on the nature of the Trinity and you need to understand that you can’t dictate to Christendom your new definition of “Christianity” and expect Christendom to accept it.
And you can’t expect the rest of the world to accept your revisionist history, because Trinitarian doctrine was not invented at Nicea. Tertullian, who lived and died over 100 years before the Nicene Council occurred, wrote not only about the Trinity (he coined the very word), but also about heresies which divided one God into multiple gods. He says the Apostles handed down word that those same heresies were being pushed during the time of the Apostles. The Apostles had the true definition of Trinity right from the start, and were in opposition to people who insisted on dividing the Trinity into separate beings. That means the very definition of your godhead falls into the same category as those heresies, which means it is against what Christ taught the Apostles. Tertullian, in fact, noted that people baptized into those heresies do not share the same baptism as Christians because they do not believe in the same God. 1800 years ago a baptism of the same nature as the Mormon baptism was declared invalid because they meant something completely different by “god” than what was meant by Christ and the Apostles when they talked about the Trinity.
And another note on history: most scholars believe that the New Testament was written and compiled years after Christ. Estimated earliest dates for some of the contents of the New Testament are around the year AD 51. Christ died in AD 33. That means that for about 18 years, there was only oral tradition, and then letters were written to clarify, and the writing and compilation began. Even during and after that time, oral tradition was the norm, as evidenced by the several creeds presented in Paul’s letters. History itself bears witness to the truth the Catholic Church has been professing all these years. Creeds are compiled and memorized so that one can explain to others what one believes in a simple clear style. Many people in this world could not read, but knew the Christian Faith like the back of their hand and could explain what they believed because they were taught a Creed.
The revisionist reformer position flies in the face of the promise made by Christ to his Church, when he promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church. Because of this promise (Matthew 16:18), and the guidance of the Holy Spirit(John 16:13), and the perpetual presence of Christ in the Eucharist (Matthew 26:26-29, Matthew 28:20), we have the promise of God that his Church will not become corrupt, will never teach doctrinal error, and that Christ is always with us.
) What points did I make that do not follow what you believe? Everything I brought up was connected to the quotations from such important Mormon figures as Joseph Smith or from the Bible.
