An honest question for Mormons

[dcana]

I have a question about the Mormon belief in men becoming gods. Namely, if I were to become a Mormon and lived a good life according to Mormon teachings, etc, I myself could become a god. First of all, when would this happen? Secondly, and most importantly, how would this happen and what would be my qualities as a god? For instance, we believe that God is omnicient (He knows all things), that He is omnipotent (He can do anything He wants to), and is infinitely loving and merciful. Would I have all these attributes also?

God Bless

 

[dcana]

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[BartBurk]

I have a question about the Mormon belief in men becoming gods. Namely, if I were to become a Mormon and lived a good life according to Mormon teachings, etc, I myself could become a god. First of all, when would this happen? Secondly, and most importantly, how would this happen and what would be my qualities as a god? For instance, we believe that God is omnicient (He knows all things), that He is omnipotent (He can do anything He wants to), and is infinitely loving and merciful. Would I have all these attributes also?

God Bless

Good luck getting a straight answer from a Mormon on this one. The Mormon God of necessity is limited. If you became a god you would at least be limited by Our Heavenly Father, not to mention some of the other Gods that might have been around before Heavenly Father became a God.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Good luck getting a straight answer from a Mormon on this one. The Mormon God of necessity is limited. If you became a god you would at least be limited by Our Heavenly Father, not to mention some of the other Gods that might have been around before Heavenly Father became a God.

you may get a dance or two but you will not get a stright answer from any mormon

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

I have a question about the Mormon belief in men becoming gods. Namely, if I were to become a Mormon and lived a good life according to Mormon teachings, etc, I myself could become a god. First of all, when would this happen? Secondly, and most importantly, how would this happen and what would be my qualities as a god? For instance, we believe that God is omnicient (He knows all things), that He is omnipotent (He can do anything He wants to), and is infinitely loving and merciful. Would I have all these attributes also?

God Bless

I would suggest this for a start:

lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/afterlife/progression_eom.htm

 

[dcana]

Am I not getting any answers because nobody is willing to answer the question or because nobody is able? It seems to me a sensible question that is central to Mormon theology. How would I go from being the very limited human being that I am to being a god? For instance, my intellect is limited by my puny brain, my memory and knowledge of things is limited to what I have observed and what others have taught me, I sin constantly, I definitely don’t have the power to do all that I will (I think it would be really cool to be able to fly and to move objects with my mind but so far all my attempts have proved fruitless). In short, I have a human nature created and designed by God, which is finite and limited and which can and will not ever change. How could my human nature be transformed into a divine nature? It goes against the very definition of the divine nature for it to be anything but unique, that is, it is possessed by only one … God, who is eternal and is eternally God. I am quite sure that I am not eternal nor will I ever be God.

QUIS UT DEUS! is my response … WHO IS LIKE UNTO GOD?

No one but the ONE WHO IS - whose Glory has no limit and who is Magnificent and Beautiful and Good and Loving beyond all understanding and whose Name is forever Blessed by all creation. Would I be all these things? I know that anything good in me is a gift from the One who is Goodness itself. NOBODY gave God these things - He eternally possessed them all.

Why does God say about a million times in the Old Testament that He is God, and there is NO OTHER? He was trying to get it through the Jews’ (and our) collective heads that - guess what? - He is God and there is NO OTHER.

If I became a god would I be worshipped by my spirit children in the same way that God is worshipped by us?

Any resonse would be greatly appreciated.

Christ’s Peace

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

Am I not getting any answers because nobody is willing to answer the question or because nobody is able? It seems to me a sensible question that is central to Mormon theology. How would I go from being the very limited human being that I am to being a god? For instance, my intellect is limited by my puny brain, my memory and knowledge of things is limited to what I have observed and what others have taught me, I sin constantly, I definitely don’t have the power to do all that I will (I think it would be really cool to be able to fly and to move objects with my mind but so far all my attempts have proved fruitless). In short, I have a human nature created and designed by God, which is finite and limited and which can and will not ever change. How could my human nature be transformed into a divine nature? It goes against the very definition of the divine nature for it to be anything but unique, that is, it is possessed by only one … God, who is eternal and is eternally God. I am quite sure that I am not eternal nor will I ever be God.

QUIS UT DEUS! is my response … WHO IS LIKE UNTO GOD?

No one but the ONE WHO IS - whose Glory has no limit and who is Magnificent and Beautiful and Good and Loving beyond all understanding and whose Name is forever Blessed by all creation. Would I be all these things? I know that anything good in me is a gift from the One who is Goodness itself. NOBODY gave God these things - He eternally possessed them all.

Why does God say about a million times in the Old Testament that He is God, and there is NO OTHER? He was trying to get it through the Jews’ (and our) collective heads that - guess what? - He is God and there is NO OTHER.

If I became a god would I be worshipped by my spirit children in the same way that God is worshipped by us?

Any resonse would be greatly appreciated.

Christ’s Peace

I don’t know, but I provided a link to some information. You can do the research. Or, do you just want to belittle a Mormon and their religion - you know, get it off your chest?

 

[PaulDupre]

If I became a god would I be worshipped by my spirit children in the same way that God is worshipped by us?

Any resonse would be greatly appreciated.

Christ’s Peace

Yes, according to the LDS Gospel Principles Manual:

Blessings of Exaltation

Those who receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom through faith in Jesus Christ will receive special blessings. The Lord has promised, “All things are theirs” (D&C 76:59). These are some of the blessings given to exalted people:

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  1. They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ (see D&C 76).
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  2. They will become gods.
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  3. They will have their righteous family members with them and will be able to have spirit children also. ***These spirit children will have the same relationship to them as we do to our Heavenly Father.*** They will be an eternal family.

So according to this manual published and used by the LDS Church to teach their own members, when they become gods, their “spirit children” will have the same relationship to them that we have with God the Father. We worship God The Father, so that means their “spirit children” will worship them as well.

It is amazing that they deny this when it right there in black and white.

Paul (a former Mormon)

P.S.: I wanted to post the link to the complete Gospel Principles manual at LDS.org, but they have changed the website so that you can’t get there anymore (I wonder why). Does anyone have the link?

 

[RebeccaJ]

P.S.: I wanted to post the link to the complete Gospel Principles manual at LDS.org, but they have changed the website so that you can’t get there anymore (I wonder why). Does anyone have the link?

Here.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Yes, according to the LDS Gospel Principles Manual:

So according to this manual published and used by the LDS Church to teach their own members, when they become gods, their “spirit children” will have the same relationship to them that we have with God the Father. We worship God The Father, so that means their “spirit children” will worship them as well.

It is amazing that they deny this when it right there in black and white.

Paul (a former Mormon)

P.S.: I wanted to post the link to the complete Gospel Principles manual at LDS.org, but they have changed the website so that you can’t get there anymore (I wonder why). Does anyone have the link?

Now we should take a poll of how many Mormons actually believe this.

 

[PaulDupre]

Here.

Thanks, Rebecca! I switched to Linux on my PC and neglected to bring over my favorites from IE. I have added the link to my bookmarks again. I use Gospel Principles often in those frequent situations wherein Mormons deny their beliefs.

Paul

 

[PaulDupre]

Now we should take a poll of how many Mormons actually believe this.

It depends on whether there are any non-Mormons in the room.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Thanks, Rebecca! I switched to Linux on my PC and neglected to bring over my favorites from IE. I have added the link to my bookmarks again. I use Gospel Principles often in those frequent situations wherein Mormons deny their beliefs.

Paul

No problem. The link did change. And the layout changed. Same for Preach My Gospel.

 

[dcana]

I don’t know, but I provided a link to some information. You can do the research. Or, do you just want to belittle a Mormon and their religion - you know, get it off your chest?

Forgive me if I sounded like I was belittling any Mormon or their religion, but in no way was I doing so. Please show me where I belittled anyone. If you consider me joining my voice to the voice of St. Michael in proclaiming that no one is like unto God but God and defending the Christian understanding of God’s sovereignty and divinity as belittling, then so be it. I would like to hear an explanation from a Mormon of how their central belief on the afterlife (not an unimportant question, I should think) is logically (not to mention Biblically) possible. I have yet to see one. Did you possibly think that my asking whether or not I would be worshipped was belittling? I hope not, as I did not intend it to be. Do creatures not owe their creator adoration?

 

[MEgus]

Maybe we should look at a few scriptures.

Matt. 5: 48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 10:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Rom. 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Gal. 4: 6-7
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then **an heir of God **through Christ.

1 Jn. 3: 2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Rev. 3: 21
21 **To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. **

Now, what exactly do the scriptures mean if it says we will be like Christ? Or be heirs with God? Or sit down on Christ’s thrown even as he sits on his Father’s throne?

These are the things that members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe.

MEgus

 

[MEgus]

Here’s some more links to what we believe.

Eternal Life
scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/e/34

Exaltation
scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/e/42

Celestial Glory
scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/c/14

MEgus

 

[emarc]

Maybe we should look at a few scriptures.

Matt. 5: 48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

perfect in being holy, not being God yourself by promoting yourself to God status.

John 10:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

This is a reference to the judges of Israel who,since they exercised the divine prerogative to judge (Deut 1:17), were called “gods”; cf Exodus 21:6, besides Psalm 82:6 from which the quotation comes.(from end notes of Jn 10:34 New American Bible)
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Rom. 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Gal. 4: 6-7
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then **an heir of God **through Christ.

being heir is not the same as being God yourself.

1 Jn. 3: 2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

we shall be Christ like; not the same as being God as himself.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Rev. 3: 21
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne**.**

**not the same as being God yourself. **

Now, what exactly do the scriptures mean if it says we will be like Christ? Or be heirs with God? Or sit down on Christ’s thrown even as he sits on his Father’s throne?

These are the things that members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe.

MEgus

seems too presumptous and arrogant for a mere mortal for a self-promotion to God’s status.
God bless.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

Forgive me if I sounded like I was belittling any Mormon or their religion, but in no way was I doing so. Please show me where I belittled anyone.

I didn’t say you were doing so right now. I asked if you just wanted to do so when and if a Mormon answered your questions. Do you see the several Mormon threads on here already? They get heated and I just hate to see another one.

If you consider me joining my voice to the voice of St. Michael in proclaiming that no one is like unto God but God and defending the Christian understanding of God’s sovereignty and divinity as belittling, then so be it.

This is the kind of attitude I’m talking about. Triumphalism. You’re not defending something if you start the thread asking for a Mormon response. You’re preaching.

I would like to hear an explanation from a Mormon of how their central belief on the afterlife (not an unimportant question, I should think) is logically (not to mention Biblically) possible. I have yet to see one. Did you possibly think that my asking whether or not I would be worshipped was belittling? I hope not, as I did not intend it to be. Do creatures not owe their creator adoration?

And my point is that there are articles and knowledge available on this teaching if you care to look. I gave a link to such and yet you pushed for a Mormon to answer your questions still. No, I don’t think asking a question is belittling. But, what I envision is a Mormon answering the question and getting flogged for the answers.

 

[nebula]

MOrmonism teaches taht God is indeed omniscient and omnipotent, but in a relative rather than absolute sense. It’s like fi you put an ant on a sheet of paper that is a mile long and a mile wide, it might as well be infinite. So we humans, according to Mormonism, have the capacity to inheret that same quality vis a vis the spirit beings that we’d beget and help progress though we’d never appear to be that way to the gods (and goddesses) who came before us, the prime example being our own heavenly parents.

I hope that helps clarify.

 

[MEgus]

Yes, according to the LDS Gospel Principles Manual:

So according to this manual published and used by the LDS Church to teach their own members, when they become gods, their “spirit children” will have the same relationship to them that we have with God the Father. We worship God The Father, so that means their “spirit children” will worship them as well.

It is amazing that they deny this when it right there in black and white.

Paul (a former Mormon)

P.S.: I wanted to post the link to the complete Gospel Principles manual at LDS.org, but they have changed the website so that you can’t get there anymore (I wonder why). Does anyone have the link?

Paul,

You are aware that Catholic beliefs are that you will become God’s as well don’t you?

MEgus