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hey i’m just curious about this and this is a sincere question for 1 and no offense to non-catholics, ok. is it a sin or wrong to worship God in a baptist church or protestant church in general like singing there songs etc. cause they technoly are protesters to God’s Church right? thanks and God bless y’all and the Blessed Theotokos pray for us all
 
hey i’m just curious about this and this is a sincere question for 1 and no offense to non-catholics, ok. is it a sin or wrong to worship God in a baptist church or protestant church in general like singing there songs etc. cause they technoly are protesters to God’s Church right? thanks and God bless y’all and the Blessed Theotokos pray for us all
Culpability for sin is weighed against how much we know. The faith of a Baptist isn’t wrong or evil, just misinformed, in our opinion. As such, it wouldn’t be right for us to do anything which supports their errors in any way, but, OTOH, the Church does applaud and support any way in which they’re right, any way in which they agree with us about God’s revealed truths.

And since loving and worshiping God is a good thing, and worship can be done anywhere at any time, IMO there’d be nothing wrong with joining them in this activity if you happened to find yourself in that situation, so long as you’re solid in the Catholic faith to begin with.
 
hey i’m just curious about this and this is a sincere question for 1 and no offense to non-catholics, ok. is it a sin or wrong to worship God in a baptist church or protestant church in general like singing there songs etc. cause they technoly are protesters to God’s Church right? thanks and God bless y’all and the Blessed Theotokos pray for us all
There is nothing wrong with occasional attendance when invited for special events (weddings, baptisms, etc). You’re even allowed to enjoy it.

We are just cautioned against causing scandal by regular attendance or participating in their “communion” service (which lacks the Real Presence).
 
hey i’m just curious about this and this is a sincere question for 1 and no offense to non-catholics, ok. is it a sin or wrong to worship God in a baptist church or protestant church in general like singing there songs etc. cause they technoly are protesters to God’s Church right? thanks and God bless y’all and the Blessed Theotokos pray for us all
Hi, no I believe that Catholics are not permitted to worship in a Protestant church, if you HAVE to visit a Protestant church, then merely observe… don’t participate actively. It would be better not to sing, etc, as that is not passive but active participation. Here’s an article explaining this: christendom-awake.org/pages/thomas-crean/praying-with-non-catholics.htm

God bless
 
I’m willing to take my chances before God if the worst thing I have done is to sing praises to God with Protestants…

It seems to me that good Catholics would have better things to occupy our minds…
 
Hi, no I believe that Catholics are not permitted to worship in a Protestant church, if you HAVE to visit a Protestant church, then merely observe… don’t participate actively. It would be better not to sing, etc, as that is not passive but active participation. Here’s an article explaining this: christendom-awake.org/pages/thomas-crean/praying-with-non-catholics.htm

God bless
I would agree. Remember that the Church you are in is a Protestant Church and as such you are causing a great scandal by participating. Example: Some friends or family see you at the Church participating and they think in their minds that the Baptist faith must be as good a path to Heaven as the Catholic Church. This is completely false and has been condemned by multiple Popes, councils, etc. Even if the Baptist Church has some relatively good teachings, it does not contain the truth. Christ said He is the Way the Truth and the Life. Baptists don’t have part of the truth, the way, or life because it is impossible to separate truth. A faith is either truth, or it is not. Christ also said that we are either with him (in truth), or against him (participating in non-truth).

Don’t mistake all this for being uncharitable. We all have an obligation to be charitable to our fellow neighbor, but being faithful to God always comes first. Christ said that those who give up their Father and Mother for me are blessed. If abstaining from the Baptist Church (which is your duty toward God) causes you to be despised by family and friends, then “Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

God bless
 
I am glad the OP started this thread. I think it is an excellent topic of discussion.
Hi, no I believe that Catholics are not permitted to worship in a Protestant church, if you HAVE to visit a Protestant church, then merely observe… don’t participate actively. It would be better not to sing, etc, as that is not passive but active participation. Here’s an article explaining this: christendom-awake.org/pages/thomas-crean/praying-with-non-catholics.htm

God bless
I read part of the article and skimmed the rest (sorry, I’m a slow but impatient reader 😊 ) but I did notice a few things. There were some quotes about how bad it is to hang with heretics, but I saw a couple references that it is not against church law. It also mentions JPII who, from what I can tell, was big on interreligious dialog, and even kissed the Quran. Of course, many Catholics who are 100% in line with the papacy said he was wrong to do this. 🤷

If I am wrong about any of the above, or have mischaracterized the article or JPII, please correct me.

Now for my personal opinion:

I think we need more interreligious dialog, and I see nothing wrong with singing praise with Protestants. I do see something wrong with going to a Protestant church and sitting there conspicuously silent.

Honestly, I have little patience these days to read a lengthy, scholarly argument, and when I do, I usually don’t understand half of it anyways, especially when they use words with five or more syllables. 😛 These things are necessary and good, I suppose, but let’s get back to basics, and to the Bible and see what St. Paul has to say in this passage which I think applies:

1 Cor 9:19-23
19 Although I am free in regard to all, I have made myself a slave to all so as to win over as many as possible.
20 To the Jews I became like a Jew to win over Jews; to those under the law I became like one under the law—though I myself am not under the law—to win over those under the law.
21 To those outside the law I became like one outside the law—though I am not outside God’s law but within the law of Christ—to win over those outside the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win over the weak. I have become all things to all, to save at least some.
23 All this I do for the sake of the gospel, so that I too may have a share in it.

The same chapter has other good information about exercising one’s conscience if invited over by someone with different beliefs, and IMO it gives support to my position. In fact, that’s where I got the idea in the first place, and why I am not afraid to speak of it. If I am wrong, then so is 1 Cor 9.

Personally, I have been influenced quite a bit by contemplative teachers, who suggest there is a kind of spiritual unity among all human beings, that hasn’t been realized yet. Truth is Truth, and each religion at least attempts to discover it from its own point of view. So we’re all seeking the same God, although we disagree on the particulars.

Remember that St. Paul did not have the benefit of scholarly journals; and I’ve heard that most of his letters were actually written before the gospels were, but don’t take my word on that. The point is, the early believers evangelized by their lifestyle and by word of mouth, not by complicated essays breaking down a simple issue into a gazillion pieces.

Either way, I think Jesus makes it clear that kindness and mercy toward other people trumps doctrine and even adherence to that doctrine. (the Good Samaritan, picking grain on the sabbath or washing of cups – the “whitewashed tombs” passage, the Pharisee and the tax collector, the faithful woman he called a “dog” to name a few examples)

Besides, if we really think that the Protestants are misguided and might even go to hell for their disagreements with Catholics, what better way to gain their trust by showing them a little respect. Fishers of men need to first go to where the fish are, and then use convincing bait. Sitting there, silent, with your arms crossed, is not a formula to gain respect. And if you don’t have their respect, you can forget about telling them anything about our own faith. There is nothing wrong with staying inside the Church and never straying into “enemy” territory, but if you do that, don’t complain about the existence of people you refuse to associate with, because you’re not doing anything to help the situation.

In Wichita, the Catholic diocese operates two “Lord’s Diners” that are located in poor areas of the city and feed a hot dinner to hundreds of people a day, 365 days a year, no questions asked. Not like a government program where you have to prove that you fit the right criteria, not to mention paperwork, red tape, and waste – and let’s not forget the political wrangling over these programs. No. At the Lord’s Diner, volunteers and donors are from many different religions, and even some non-religious. Large corporations with no religious affiliation donate food and money. Why is it we can stand hand in hand to help the poor, and accept Protestant time, talent, and treasure, to advance our projects … but we can’t sing a song of praise together? That makes zero sense to me. :whacky:

To an honest question, that is my honest answer. 👍

Alan
 
AlanFromWichita asked:
Why is it we can stand hand in hand to help the poor, and accept Protestant time, talent, and treasure, to advance our projects … but we can’t sing a song of praise together? That makes zero sense to me.
I have asked the same question many times. I understand why we do not receive Communion together; but there are so many things we can do that would not compromise our faith when we are together…singing, praying the Our Father, affirming our faith with the Apostles’ Creed…
 
Personally, I wouldn’t do it. Several reasons: I wouldn’t want other to think I was ok with protestant beliefs because I was spending time at their churches, and two, I wouldn’t want to risk my Catholic faith by being infected by heresy. This happens to people, I’ve seen it unfortunately. I would especially warn converts about this because when one is still at early stages in their spiritual journey, it is easy to get seduced by different beliefs.
However, if you happen to be in a neutral setting, or are invited to a protestant wedding/baptism, then you should treat the people with respect. I don’t think singing a few songs would do much damage. But I would definitely not get more deeply involved.
 
Besides, if we really think that the Protestants are misguided and might even go to hell for their disagreements with Catholics, what better way to gain their trust by showing them a little respect. Fishers of men need to first go to where the fish are, and then use convincing bait. Sitting there, silent, with your arms crossed, is not a formula to gain respect. And if you don’t have their respect, you can forget about telling them anything about our own faith. There is nothing wrong with staying inside the Church and never straying into “enemy” territory, but if you do that, don’t complain about the existence of people you refuse to associate with, because you’re not doing anything to help the situation.

Alan
How about praying for them and doing pennance as Our Lady said at Fatima!! We do more to convert protestants by these two means than by debate or singing praises with them!

How are we to show them the correct path if they see us on the same path as them?? It doesn’t matter what you are thinking in your heart when you are singing in their church, protestants cannot see that. They judge by the exterior actions.

What do you mean by respect? Show them respect for rejecting the one true Catholic Faith? Do we not owe ultimate respect to Our Lord Jesus Christ? He founded one church (and last time I checked it was not the Baptist Church). Now you want us to worship, and sing praises with the bad fruit (which Christ said He will cast into everlasting fire)?

Please, re-evaluate the Church’s teaching on these matters. You don’t have to read long complicated articles. Just look up Popes’ condemnations of worshiping with other religious sects.

We must not forget that the Catholic Church is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. All of which are marks this Baptist Church, or any protestant church, does not have.

God bless
 
How about praying for them and doing pennance as Our Lady said at Fatima!! We do more to convert protestants by these two means than by debate or singing praises with them!

How are we to show them the correct path if they see us on the same path as them?? It doesn’t matter what you are thinking in your heart when you are singing in their church, protestants cannot see that. They judge by the exterior actions.

What do you mean by respect? Show them respect for rejecting the one true Catholic Faith? Do we not owe ultimate respect to Our Lord Jesus Christ? He founded one church (and last time I checked it was not the Baptist Church). Now you want us to worship, and sing praises with the bad fruit (which Christ said He will cast into everlasting fire)?

Please, re-evaluate the Church’s teaching on these matters. You don’t have to read long complicated articles. Just look up Popes’ condemnations of worshiping with other religious sects.

We must not forget that the Catholic Church is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. All of which are marks this Baptist Church, or any protestant church, does not have.

God bless
Did you even read the quote from 1 Cor 9? What do you think it means, and if it doesn’t apply in this situation, why not? The whole chapter is good, actually. And what about the JPII kissing the Quran? Did he err in doing so?

Please cite the pope’s condemnation of singing praise with Protestants.

Thank you.
Alan
 
And what about the JPII kissing the Quran? Did he err in doing so?
I have to admit I was absolutely shocked and appaled by that. I simply couldn’t understand it. So many Christians lost their lives defending the faith and so many suffered under Muslims. And then a pope kisses their book. :confused:
 
the only book i dare to kiss is the Holy Bible the Word of the true God and thank y’all for the answers but now im more confused then before :confused:
 
the only book i dare to kiss is the Holy Bible the Word of the true God and thank y’all for the answers but now im more confused then before :confused:
Could you maybe be a bit more specific about your dilemma? What kind of a situation do you have in mind? Going to a protestant service on a sunday to see what they do, or being invited to a church for a purpose? (like a wedding).

For example, last summer I went to a protestant church to a wedding. There was nothing problematic about it: the prayers were fine and the songs were ok too. I didn’t feel like I was participating in any special way - I was just there, prayed for the couple and their marriage and tried to sing along.

But going to a protestant church in order to participate in their worship in the name of unity or something in that vein should not be done. The church warns us about this.

So I’d say that if you don’t have to do it - then don’t.
 
Could you maybe be a bit more specific about your dilemma? What kind of a situation do you have in mind? Going to a protestant service on a sunday to see what they do, or being invited to a church for a purpose? (like a wedding).

For example, last summer I went to a protestant church to a wedding. There was nothing problematic about it: the prayers were fine and the songs were ok too. I didn’t feel like I was participating in any special way - I was just there, prayed for the couple and their marriage and tried to sing along.

But going to a protestant church in order to participate in their worship in the name of unity or something in that vein should not be done. The church warns us about this.

So I’d say that if you don’t have to do it - then don’t.
no im only 17 and im forced to go by my parents 😊 srry for not being specific God bless
 
no im only 17 and im forced to go by my parents 😊 srry for not being specific God bless
LOL - of COURSE there’s no sin in obeying your mother and father. It’s a Commandment! 😃

In that case, your only issue is how easy is it for you to make it to Mass?
 
no im only 17 and im forced to go by my parents 😊 srry for not being specific God bless
Right. You are a minor and under their rules for now. Go with them, just don’t participate in protestant communion service. As I understand you are not Catholic but are considering converting. I would not take communion in a protestant church for that reason, although you are not bound by our law.
 
Did you even read the quote from 1 Cor 9? What do you think it means, and if it doesn’t apply in this situation, why not? The whole chapter is good, actually. And what about the JPII kissing the Quran? Did he err in doing so?

Please cite the pope’s condemnation of singing praise with Protestants.

Thank you.
Alan
Yes, JPII erred in kissing the Quran. How could this possibly be a good, holy, and Catholic thing to do? That book rejects the Trinity by rejecting Jesus Christ as God and our Savior!!

Here are teachings of the Church:

Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 10), Jan. 6, 1928:
“This being so, it is clear that the Apostolic See cannot on any terms take part in their assemblies, nor is it anyway lawful for Catholics either to support or to work for such enterprises; for if they do so they will be giving countenance to a false Christianity, quite alien to the one Church of Christ…

These pan-Christians who turn their minds to uniting the churches seem, indeed, to pursue the noblest of ideas in promoting charity among all Christians: nevertheless how does it happen that this charity tends to injure faith? Everyone knows that John himself, the Apostle of love, who seems to reveal in his Gospel the secrets of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and who never ceased to impress on the memories of his followers the new commandment “Love one another,” altogether forbade any intercourse with those who professed a mutilated and corrupt version of Christ’s teaching: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him: God speed you…”

So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics: for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in the past they have unhappily left it.

Pope Pius IX, Neminem vestrum (# 5), Feb. 2, 1854: “We want you to know that those same monks sent Us a splendid profession of Catholic faith and doctrine… They eloquently acknowledged and freely received the regulations and decrees which the popes and the sacred congregations published or would publish – especially those which
prohibit communicatio in divinis (communion in holy matters) with schismatics…

St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Pt. I-II, Q. 103., A. 4: “All ceremonies are professions of faith, in which the interior worship of God consists. Now man can make profession of his inward faith, by deeds as well as by words: and in either profession, if he make a false declaration, he sins mortally.”

Canon 1258.1, 1917 Code of Canon Law: “It is not licit for the faithful by any manner to
assist actively or to have a part in the sacred rites of non-Catholics.”6

Let me finish by saying that the 17 year old who started the thread is in a completely different catagory since he is under his parents. His situation is best discussed with a priest.

God bless!
 
Yes, JPII erred in kissing the Quran. How could this possibly be a good, holy, and Catholic thing to do? That book rejects the Trinity by rejecting Jesus Christ as God and our Savior!!
Thank you for the reference. It was pretty technical, but I don’t doubt your application of it. I don’t know if it is infallible or whatever, but if it trumps the actions of a sitting pope, then I guess it’s what it is. If those documents are the final authority, though, then I assert that St. Paul erred in writing at least one entire chapter of the Bible.

Peace and love,
Alan
 
If those documents are the final authority, though, then I assert that St. Paul erred in writing at least one entire chapter of the Bible.
Perhaps it is you who is not interpreting St. Paul correctly. I suspect that is a more likely scenario.
 
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