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secular_freedom said:
I made a thread earlier in which I linked to an article by John Corvino that makes a powerful point about Christian responses to gay bullying. Why was it taken down? Here it is again: 365gay.com/opinion/corvino-why-%E2%80%9Clove-the-sinner%E2%80%9D-rings-hollow/
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It probably got deleted because and article trying to blame gay suicide on Christians is…ya know… kind of offensive to us here on this sort of site.

Also, I have yet to meet a Catholic (or any Christian for that matter) that supports violence against gays as the article suggests Christians tolerate.

The part about Christians making them feel “damaged” or “disordered”, yes they are but so are many straight people for different reasons.

And yes, they are sinners, that’s a fact and if you read the bible it’s quite clear they are. However, everyone is a sinner, though Homosexual relations are a bigger sin that many.

I just get tired of Gays blamming the Church for everthing that happens.
 
mcrow said:
It probably got deleted because and article trying to blame gay suicide on Christians is…ya know… kind of offensive to us here on this sort of site.
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Except the article does nothing of the sort – that is simply a misrepresentation. Can you support your charge with any passage from the article?
 
secular_freedom said:
Except the article does nothing of the sort – that is simply a misrepresentation. Can you support your charge with any passage from the article?
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The author makes it sound as if Christians are responsible because we spend more time on gay marriage than about defending gays being attacked/bullied/killed.

#1- Attacking/Bullying/Killing all already have tons of laws in place.

#2- The church has specific section of the Catechism that states gays should be respected and not attacked/harmed in any way.

#3- There are laws in some places against gay marriage that are under attack and is of great moral concern.

IOW, attacking anyone has been a law for a long time. The church has stated clearly that they don’t approve of attacks on gay. Gay marriage is of great moral concern right now given the push to legalize it.

What would he have the Church do? Set up a program about how not to bully gays? Should we set one up for chubby kids? How about one for kids with tough home lives?

Gay teens are not the only kids out there committing suicide due to bullying/mental distress.
 
It’s a question of priorities. Gay kids are dying as a result of anti-gay bullying, and anti-gay bullying is pervasive in schools across America. Yet, Christians seem to be bent on ignoring this problem.

It’s a fact that Christians spend extraordinarily more time denouncing gay marriage than they do anti-gay bullying. What’s particularly troubling, though, is that when Christians do denounce anti-gay bullying and violence, they don’t do so wholeheartedly: as the author observes, “the denunciations of violence are usually tepid, and they’re too often followed by a “BUT.” BUT we want to make it clear that we still think gay sex is wrong. BUT marriage is for a man and a woman. BUT we Christians are persecuted too, you know.”

If the Christian community came out with a much stronger, vehement reaction against anti-gay bullying and violence, there would be no issue here. But Christians, on a whole, don’t seem to think anti-gay bullying is a major concern
 
The Catholic Church put this in the Catechism:

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

The put a specific passage in the Catechism about it.

I’ve seen none of this partially denouncing stuff you mention.

Is gay bullying really a big concern in the matters of the whole world? Not specifically. Violence in general is a great concern, gay bashing and the like fit under that.

I can’t speak for anyone else (or any other Christian faith) but I think most people of faith would denounce gay bullying if it happened in front of them.

For reference, my mother and one of my cousins are lesbians.

Also, what motivation does the Catholic Church have to stick their necks out for people that do nothing but try to tear down the church? Google “Gays and the Catholic Church” and you will find thousands and thousands of entries by gay bloggers attacking the Church, with real hate. The Catholic Church has committed no hate against gays.
 
mcrow said:
The Catholic Church put this in the Catechism:

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

The put a specific passage in the Catechism about it.
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A very general statement. Where is the recent, outright condemnation by the Church against the anti-gay bullying violence?
mcrow said:
I’ve seen none of this partially denouncing stuff you mention.
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Look more closely. Again, it’s a question of priorities – the Church just doesn’t seem to get it.
mcrow said:
Is gay bullying really a big concern in the matters of the whole world? Not specifically. Violence in general is a great concern, gay bashing and the like fit under that.
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Perhaps you don’t realize, but A LOT of gay bashing is motivated by a religious belief that homosexuality is a sin. Do you deny this?
mcrow said:
Also, what motivation does the Catholic Church have to stick their necks out for people that do nothing but try to tear down the church?
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In other words, why should the Church care about this problem?
mcrow said:
The Catholic Church has committed no hate against gays.
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No? If you are being constantly told that your sexual orientation is a “disease,” you wouldn’t perceive that as hateful?
 
secular_freedom said:
A very general statement. Where is the recent, outright condemnation by the Church against the anti-gay bullying violence?
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Very general??? It says pretty clear that they are to be respected. What do you want it to say. NO PUCNHING GAYS? Would that be specific enough?
Look more closely. Again, it’s a question of priorities – the Church just doesn’t seem to get it.
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Priorities?
There are police, that should be their priority not the Churches. It’s already against the law, what else is there to do? I guess they need to put an ant-gay bashing add on TV in order to not be labeled as promoting gay haters?
Perhaps you don’t realize, but A LOT of gay bashing is motivated by a religious belief that homosexuality is a sin. Do you deny this?
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No, I’m sure you are wrong. I would bet that those who commit gay bashing are probably not religious. Some oof them may identifiy themselves as christian but that does not make it true.

Having gay sex is a sin, not being gay.
In other words, why should the Church care about this problem?
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Well, the fact stands. Gays are clearly trying to attack our religion so why do them any favors? It’s clear the Church does not approve of the gay lifestyle so I wouldn’t go expecting them to stick their necks out for them either.
No? If you are being constantly told that your sexual orientation is a “disease,” you wouldn’t perceive that as hateful?
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Nope. I’m not sure that it’s a disease but there some abnormality in the brain that causes it.
 
Sorry I can’t make this into a link, but here’s the url to an article townhall.com/columnists/MaggieGallagher/2010/10/20/does_gay_marriage_prevent_gay_teen_suicide

What she points out is that teens who identify themselves as homosexual are much more likely to have suffered sexual abuse and other problems than have teens in general. It would seem that teens who kill themselves who identify themselves as homosexual are therefore more likely to have more than just bullying as a problem contributing to their suicides.

I have a great deal of sympathy for this situation, but I also see two things:one is that bullying is directed more against what will get a reaction, which means that many kids are bullied for many reasons, and two, homosexual activists do use this to further their agenda. Legalizing homosexual marriage will not change the situation.

Moreover, I would suggest that Christians are less likely to raise bullies than the general population.
 
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