An observation about the bible and book of mormon

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ApostateRLDS said:
Or it could be that ex-Mormons are so jaded but what they see that they’re completely turned off by the idea of God or any religion. Read Steve Benson’s story on why he left Mormonism.
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There are many stories out there as to why people leave mormonism. For some reason they choose to write their story. I call such public stories upside down testimonies. I suppose it is a mormon tradition to testify. .

I am also sure that catholics who have left their faith would have a story too.
 
Eliza10 said:
I have read countless stories of Mormons who have left their faith - and it is at huge cost to themselves when it is their whole family, community, life. Embracing another faith is the easy part for them. It is worth the painful ex-communication and loss of fellowship with loved ones. The latter pain is not lessened by the former, but their new-found faith is so strong they are able to make the leap and pay the price.

So I think you are wrong in your statement here.
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Some mormons when they leave the faith, turn to the UU. One reason for this is the UU theology of religious liberalism which is the exact opposite of Mormonism. Others may become atheists. I have seen their stories on exmormon sites. It is difficult for them to embrace another faith because of the truth claims of the lds church.

Those who do find a new faith may be strong in that faith. But I am sure that it is the same for former catholics who have embraced penecostalism or some other faith.
 
ApostateRLDS said:
Or it could be that ex-Mormons are so jaded but what they see that they’re completely turned off by the idea of God or any religion. Read Steve Benson’s story on why he left Mormonism.
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I googled a brief story on Benson. Really interesting! It doesn’t seem he has embraced another faith - only most bravely confronted the lies of his own faith. A faith which is his very identity and heritage. What bravery! I admire that. He seems to be a seeker of the truth. I certainly hope he does not associate all faith and religion in what he learned in Mormonism. No evidence is given in the article I read that he now embraces atheism, though. When seeks truth, one will find it, and Benson strikes me as a truth-seeker. So his prognosis is good, IMO.
 
Eliza10 said:
So this is what you believe? What you say here, that Mormon claims are true, and you believe their doctrine to be complete? Thats not what a Catholic believes. Yet you have claimed elsewhere on this forum that you go to the Catholic Church, and that you recieve communion. So which is it? Mormon or Catholic? You cannot be both.
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I mainly reply to the posts that post generalizations about mormonism or post in an antimormon rant against the lds church. I don’t believe that it is christian to ridicule another’s faith.

I am trying to tell you what mormons believe and how that belief may influence their future atheism if they become disillusioned with the lds church.

I do receive communion and why not?..I also confess my sins to a priest. But I will defend the mormons against antimormons. I do not see the mormons as my enemy or a threat. I also don’t see the mormon church as a bad church. Mormons are good people and their religion is unique but not bad.
 
BartBurk said:
… Mormons claim God did not create anything – he only organized pre-existing material into his universe. And he came about as the Son of another God back into infinity. So Mormons really do not have a God who is First Cause and responsible for everything. When you reject Mormonism, it is easy to become an atheist when you really don’t believe in an ultimate God anyway.
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Interesting (and sad) information concerning Mormon beliefs. And a very insightful conclusion that this would pave the way for atheism.
 
Eliza10 said:
I googled a brief story on Benson. Really interesting! It doesn’t seem he has embraced another faith - only most bravely confronted the lies of his own faith. A faith which is his very identity and heritage. What bravery! I admire that. He seems to be a seeker of the truth. I certainly hope he does not associate all faith and religion in what he learned in Mormonism. No evidence is given in the article I read that he now embraces atheism, though. When seeks truth, one will find it, and Benson strikes me as a truth-seeker. So his prognosis is good, IMO.
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If you go to the ex-Mormon board:

exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/index.php?site=exmobb&bn=exmobb_recovery

you will find many Benson posts. He is a militant atheist. Believers are always on the defensive over there. Many of the ex-Mormons who choose to post on that board are militant atheists and very anti-Catholic.
 
so “why me”, you first claimed to want to become catholic and weren’t mormon. then you said that your daughters were mormon but somehow you aren’t. now you say you take communion and confess to a priest. that’s interesting. i think you do the lds church a disfavor by defebding it. you have no real knowledge of lds doctrine and history and your apologetics are below what even a jack mormon could produce. Does your god(or gods) allow you to decieve others in order to convert people?
 
why_me said:
Some mormons when they leave the faith, turn to the UU. One reason for this is the UU theology of religious liberalism which is the exact opposite of Mormonism. .
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Not sure but I think you mean Univaersalist Unitarianism? Yes, I see a lot of Catholics in name-only, or Jews-in-name-only, or people who never had any faith grounding join the UU’s. Its a safe place to join, as they don’t demand too much, and their faith blends well with the culture of the day. Its something when you have nothing.
why_me said:
Others may become atheists. I have seen their stories on exmormon sites. It is difficult for them to embrace another faith because of the truth claims of the lds church. .
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Could be true then. Its just not in my experience to see Mormons leave and not embrace anything. I do feel sorry for them then. But like those of other religions, if you leave a faith something you never embaraced, its not really leaving the faith. If you are levavng the culture, and its your culture, your family, it certainly is hard.

I do feel sorry for them going through all that to leave and not being able to fall into thearms of Jesus.
why_me said:
Those who do find a new faith may be strong in that faith. But I am sure that it is the same for former Catholics who have embraced Penecostalism or some other faith.
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True. Former Catholics who never embraced faith while they were Catholics, and found Jesus in the Pentacostalism, realy have found something whereas before they had “nothing”.

I do love reading the stories of those who did that and then discovered the richness and fullness of faith in the Catholic Church - they realized they had unknowingly thrown out the baby with the bathwater!
 
the first post you put out you said you were thinking about converting and was just defending mormon beliefs. I’m comforted that you have taken on the heroic task of monitoring the world’s christian website forums for anti-mormonism. I hope heavenly mother is proud of you. go to sandra tanner’s website and read for yourself, she is an expert on mormon history and doctrine, she’s the one that told the lds church that mark hoffman was a fraud. you remember him don’t you? he met personally with hinckley and the first presidency and sold them fraudulous mormon documents ( even though bishops and the first pres are supposed to be able to discern people’s hearts). Why would the church pay hoffman hundreds of thousands of dollars for documents claiming smith got the plates from a giant salamander if they really knew how he got the plates? they also bought a document that was supposed to be written by joseph giving his son joseph succession over the church if joseph should die. why would the church buy something they knew wasn’t true? then try to cover it up when the police got involved? why don’t you consider the re-organized church of christ mormons as well? the reject joseph’s polygamy and polytheistic teachings as false. joesph’s son was the president. emma was part of it as was william smith (joseph’s brother)
 
why_me said:
I mainly reply to the posts that post generalizations about mormonism or post in an antimormon rant against the lds church. I don’t believe that it is christian to ridicule another’s faith. .
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You know, Mormonism, like other cults, have a distinct characteristic of detracting their detractors. They do not tolerate any criticism of their beliefs, and when the beliefs ar criticized, they criticize the criticizor for criticizing. They would rather defame an honest critic than face the honest criticism. They basically “change the subject” from the criticism to the character of the person who dared have a criticism. Thats wrong. Detracting the detractor is not right. They should stand up like real men and defend what they believe.

I suggest that perhaps your years of being involved in the Mormon culture has made you absorb this sense of rightousness concerning not letting people say bad things about the Mormon faith. I suggest you examine that. I commend your sense of rightousness, and your desire to defend the downtrodden. I just think you have misplaced your virtue!

We are not attacking Mormons when we say they teach lies. I don’t think anyone here has ever done that! When Mormons uphold Joseph Smith as a hero, it our right and responsibility to state the truth that it is not so. When they say that what he taught is true and reasonable, the truth must be spoken.

Wield your sword for truth. If the Mormons have truth to offer, it will stand scrutiny.
why_me said:
I do receive communion and why not?..I also confess my sins to a priest. .
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I’m glad to hear that. I am just troubled that you think the Mormon doctrine makes sense. Do you think Catholic doctrine makes sense? Because the two are opposite. They cannot both be true. One is truth, the other lies. Concerning doctrine, that is. All religons have good and bad people in them. What people here on CA are concerned with is false Mormon Doctrine. When I see Joseph Smith held up as good, I am compelled to speak the truth and say he was not.
why_me said:
But I will defend the mormons against antimormons…
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And it seems like you are saying that anyone who is willing to speak the truth and say that Mormon doctrines are false, is an “antimormon”. Thats what the Mormons want you to do. Disparage the critics. But thats not right. You will find people here are anti-mormon-doctrine here, but you won’t find people who think that Mormons are bad (just misled). Therefore coming here to do battle against anti-mormon persons is a little like battling windmills.
why_me said:
I do not see the mormons as my enemy or a threat. I also don’t see the mormon church as a bad church. Mormons are good people and their religion is unique but not bad.
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The Mormon religion, what they call the Church of Jesus Christ, is not that, but a church or religion whose doctrine is full of untruths. False doctrine and untruths enslave, while the truth sets you free. Mormon people are certainly good people. I have never seen that questioned here. But they are also misled, and enslaved by false doctine. We hope that by speaking the truth here, some will be set free.
 
Eliza10 said:
I do love reading the stories of those who did that and then discovered the richness and fullness of faith in the Catholic Church - they realized they had unknowingly thrown out the baby with the bathwater!
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This is probably the case. Many cradle catholics take their faith for granted or do not know what their faith may stand for. Easy for them to leave but perhaps come back when they learn more about the faith.
 
why_me said:
Not true. As I have said, mormons pray to one father in the name of Jesus Chrsit. He is the Father and he answers prayers. And he is the only one that the lds are concerned with.
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The Mormon heavenly father is the “god” of this planet only. He is not the real God. He didn’t create anything, nor does he have the power to do so.

Who created all of the matter from which your pretend gods arose?
By organizing existing material, He has created something out of that existing material.
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No he hasn’t created anything. He has merely plagiarized like Joseph Smith did, reworking existing works and passing them off as his own. Funny, isn’t it, how the god that Smith created was a mirror of himself - a promiscuous liar who plagiarized his “works” from others.

Paul
 
zerinus said:
How is the resurrection of Jesus Christ “reasonable”? How many people have you seen getting up from their graves and walking about (spooky movies not included)? How is His walking on the water “reasonable”? How is Moses’ plagues in Egypt, his dividing the Red Sea, and the raining down of manna from heaven “reasonable”? When was the last time you saw someone accomplishing such a task? How is Elijah’s calling down fire from heaven to destroy the captain of fifty with his fifty “reasonable”? Do you honestly believe that these things happened? On the basis of what “reason”? My own guess it that you probably don’t. You are just pretending to.

zerinus
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Ah well, I am not the spiritual giant that you are zerinus. I work at it, one day at a time. If you feel that I haven’t got it right, perhaps you can take it up with God.
 
Eliza10 said:
You know, Mormonism, like other cults, have a distinct characteristic of detracting their detractors. They do not tolerate any criticism of their beliefs, and when the beliefs ar criticized, they criticize the criticizor for criticizing.
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Mormons have heard criticisms of their beliefs since the founding of the lds faith. Usually, it has been the people criticizing the faith that have not been tolerant. Also, calling Mormonism a cult is not exactly a friendly statement.

The Romans considered christianity a cult and we know of the persecution by the Romans.
 
Eliza10 said:
The Mormon religion, what they call the Church of Jesus Christ, is not that, but a church or religion whose doctrine is full of untruths. False doctrine and untruths enslave, while the truth sets you free. Mormon people are certainly good people. I have never seen that questioned here. But they are also misled, and enslaved by false doctine. We hope that by speaking the truth here, some will be set free.
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So also says a baptist about the catholic faith. Or any protestant that may post on this forum can say the same about the catholic faith. Likewise for catholics who speak about Protestantism.

In the end, where does it get us? 🤷
 
RebeccaJ said:
If you figure out anything else about me, let me know.
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And yet I paraphrased Paul about being learned and wise and how such traits can lead one out of faith. Reasoning has much to do with being too learned and too wise about religion and god. It is very easy to reason oneself away from god.
 
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