I don’t think the case can be made that condoms specifically encourage sex. Our anthropological wiring encourages sex. Birds fly. Fish swim. Humans have sex. This will never change. They were doing it before the invention of latex.I am confused.
It seems logical to me that when you stop doing something you stop the end results. Thus no SEX no spread of AIDS. Condoms only encourage the actions and thus allow the spread of the virus.
I have no idea where you got this from. Vaccination has nothing to do with this discussion on self control and condoms. As long as the vaccine does not use embryo tissue and was safe for use it then becomes a medical choice and not a life style choice.It may not “wash” in your book, but to use anecdotal information misses the point. If you read this thread you would know that my position is to us ALL available means to avoid AIDS, whether it’s abstinence, condoms or other medical means.
I presume from the opinions expressed in this thread that if a viable vaccine were to be developed that you would make a case for not getting the vaccination.
The next time you meet someone who speaks Amharic, tell them that they should exercise “self control”. As I said in my original post - heads in the sand.
I can’t say about the third world or Africa. But, stats show that out of marriage births are up and this has proven to be the case since we started to make many “protections” available. Unless you can surgically place condoms, chastity belts, (or any other means of “birth control also known as SEXUAL activity CONSEQUENCES control”), do not work. So the message is sent that you don’t need to control you actions.:banghead:I don’t think the case can be made that condoms specifically encourage sex. Our anthropological wiring encourages sex. Birds fly. Fish swim. Humans have sex. This will never change. They were doing it before the invention of latex.
If people will have sex anyway, and they will, wouldn’t it make sense to protect them from themselves?
Of course actions have consequences and ultimately people will reap what they sow. You are dealing with ancient, hard-wired human impulses that have great power over the lives of people. Maybe they deserve what they get. Maybe we all do, but then again, Christ gave His life to fix that.I can’t say about the third world or Africa. But, stats show that out of marriage births are up and this has proven to be the case since we started to make many “protections” available. Unless you can surgically place condoms, chastity belts, (or any other means of “birth control also known as SEXUAL activity CONSEQUENCES control”), do not work. So the message is sent that you don’t need to control you actions.:banghead:.
I made no reference to animals having sex. I merely suggested that living organisms do those things for which they are internally wired, like fish swimming and birds flying.Now as for your reference to animals having sex. Well it is part true, but, they do not do so for recreational purposes.
You continue to cut n paste others opinions in order to bolster yours, ill-formed as it is. You have yet to tel us why AIDS rose in those countries that that though condoms was the solution and fell in those countries that stressed abstinence abstinence andHIV/AIDS has killed some 25 million people worldwide. The vast majority of new HIV infections in sub-Saharan Africa are caused by unprotected sex, with the largest percentage of new infections occurring among women and girls. Comprehensive HIV-prevention programs that combine abstinence messages with factual information about condoms and safer sex have proven to be more effective than those that preach “abstinence only.” As a leading donor to HIV/AIDS programs worldwide, the United States cannot afford to substitute unproven HIV-prevention strategies for those that have succeeded in reducing behaviors that put people at risk of HIV/AIDS
U.S. Agency for International Development
The problem is the “means” you promote has proven to be a complete failure-leading to more people with AIDS.It may not “wash” in your book, but to use anecdotal information misses the point. If you read this thread you would know that my position is to us ALL available means to avoid AIDS, whether it’s abstinence, condoms or other medical means.
I presume from the opinions expressed in this thread that if a viable vaccine were to be developed that you would make a case for not getting the vaccination.
The next time you meet someone who speaks Amharic, tell them that they should exercise “self control”. As I said in my original post - heads in the sand.
There was an interesting series of articles in a British medical journal a while back suggesting the majority of new HIV cases in Africa may not be due to “unprotected” heterosexual activity but to medical interventions. In point of fact, contaminated needles and suction abortions done with infected cannulae (tubes inserted into the cervix) may have been served as vectors for the transmission of H.I.V… People have wrongly concluded the virus was mainly spread through unprotected sex while the role of unsanitary medical conditions was ignored.The man could have acquired AIDS through multiple venues, including a blood transfusion, which is the most unlikely case.
To follow up the poster’s question - is Melinda Gates a practicing Catholic (if she is, obviously of the progressive, dissenting variety)? Does Bill Gates even believe in God? I’d be curious to know if anyone has any info on this.good letter. Is Melinda Gates “Catholic”? Or is she a “John Kerry” type Catholic (only agrees with what suits her).
Which African country is it that does the AbstinenceBeforeMarriageCondomsAsALastResort?
There’s nothing wrong with teaching chastity. But often people think of it as religiously based rather than common sense based. And that’s why secularized people hate Chastitiy, Abstience and Celibacy.
Agreed.There’s nothing wrong with teaching chastity. But often people think of it as religiously based rather than common sense based. And that’s why secularized people hate Chastitiy, Abstience and Celibacy.
I think you are referring to Uganda, one of the few countries in Africa which has greatly decreased its infection rate. Their approach was known as ABC:Which African country is it that does the AbstinenceBeforeMarriageCondomsAsALastResort?
It is a good thing that I continued to read posts on this topic until I got to your’s. I couldn’t have said it better. Thank you.The man could have acquired AIDS through multiple venues, including a blood transfusion, which is the most unlikely case.
However he contracted the disease, he has it, knows it and should not be required to sacrifice his and hers marital life when there is a safe method to avoid transmission.
And please don’t offer the “condoms don’t work” mantra. It’s a lot of bunk. If it was not, AIDS would not show decreased infection rates in places where condoms are widely used and statistics have been gathered.
You can preach abstinence; you can’t enforce it. And you can’t penalize people with death because they don’t agree with your method of “vaccine”.
If a woman, anywhere in the world, is attacked by a rapist I would think a condom would be licit as it would be repelling an unjust aggressor, not contracepting. However, I doubt few rapists would consent to wearing one based on a request.This is a typical head in the sand answer which ignores African cultures and their way of living. A woman has no choice but to have sex with her husband. If he is infected, she will most likely become infected and so will any children conceived. If, however, he wears a condom, she and her fetus at least will be spared.
You have no authority to help lead others into grave sin. That is the real issue.You have no right to impose a summary death sentence on people you don’t know, a culture you don’t understand, and a way of life that you have absolutely no connection to.
Arrogance at its height.
…Rethinking AIDS Prevention, by Edward C. Green, PhD, is a critical examination of the world community’s approach to the AIDS crisis, focusing on less-developed regions, where the problem is most severe.
Green is a senior research scientist at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, with exhaustive involvement in international AIDS efforts. A self-described lifelong liberal, he serves on the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV and AIDS and has worked extensively in the contraceptive field. His book synthesizes peer-reviewed published research and extensive unpublished material to which he is privy to produce a highly critical study of the tack that the AIDS establishment has taken.