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leonie
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My understanding is the wedding and the reception will be at the facility.
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leonie
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that’s really creepy.
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leonie
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It seems as if very few people addressed your actual question.
Assuming the couple is not Catholic and are free to marry I think it would be OK for you to attend the wedding and reception as guests.
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gamewell45
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That is categorically false my friend. 40% of my lodge is comprised of Roman Catholics and is slowly but surely growing each year. Freemasonry encourages each man to be steadfast in the faith of his acceptance.
While Freemasonry understands and respects the Churches position on Freemasonry, we do not forbid membership within our ranks and anyone who believes in God or a Supreme Being is welcome.
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Exiled_Child
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So, you’re saying that the deity worshipped by all Freemasons, Baphomet, is, in fact, Roman Catholic.
How interesting.
Please, enlighten us.(Below is a thumbnail of the God explicity worshipped by each and every Freemason, for those who didn’t know.)
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AngelusDomini
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Freemasonry accepts men (although some women’s lodges do exist too) of all different beliefs, however, the penalty of excommunication is automatically incurred if a Catholic becomes a Freemason. (The links from EWTN on the first page of this thread direct to the relevant parts of Canon Law.)
If a Catholic can be excommunicated for joining the Freemasons would it be prudent for a Catholic to attend a marriage ceremony held in a Masonic temple? Ultimately it will need to be a decision for your own conscience and something you should maybe discuss with your parish priest or confessor.
If a Catholic can be excommunicated for joining the Freemasons would it be prudent for a Catholic to attend a marriage ceremony held in a Masonic temple? Ultimately it will need to be a decision for your own conscience and something you should maybe discuss with your parish priest or confessor.
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gamewell45
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How interesting.
(Below is a thumbnail of the God explicity worshipped by each and every Freemason, for those who didn’t know.)
Interesting; I’ve been a freemason for decades now and there has been none of what you claim in any lodge that I’ve been in (and i’ve been in many).Since you invited me to enlighten you(us) I’ll be more then happy. Freemasonry is not a religion nor a substitute for religion. If you expect to find religion in a masonic lodge, you will be extremely disappointed. Each man is encouraged to be steadfast of the faith of his acceptance. Plain and simple.
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Exiled_Child
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My family’s been deeply involved with Masonry for centuries; I have more Masonic relatives than you can shake a stick at. My family’s name is actually quite well known among those in the craft, and I would be surprised if you weren’t familiar with it. I don’t mean to sound boastful by the way, because I’m actually rather ashamed of it, but I just want to let you know where I’m coming from. Plus, I practically grew up in my grandfathers giant Masonic library. All I can say is, if you’re honestly unfamiliar with Baphomet then you can’t have progressed very far.
Since you invited me to enlighten you(us) I’ll be more then happy. Freemasonry is not a religion nor a substitute for religion. If you expect to find religion in a masonic lodge, you will be extremely disappointed. Each man is encouraged to be steadfast of the faith of his acceptance. Plain and simple.
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gamewell45
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Third Degree Master Mason which is as high as you can go in blue lodge. I’m definitely unfamiliar with Baphomet as is most likely everyone in my lodge. I can also tell you as a Past Master, I’ve never witnessed nor brought up Baphomet in open lodge.My family’s been deeply involved with Masonry for centuries; I have more Masonic relatives than you can shake a stick at. My family’s name is actually quite well known among those in the craft, and I would be surprised if you weren’t familiar with it. I don’t mean to sound boastful by the way, because I’m actually rather ashamed of it, but I just want to let you know where I’m coming from. Plus, I practically grew up in my grandfathers giant Masonic library. All I can say is, if you’re honestly unfamiliar with Baphomet then you can’t have progressed very far.
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Phemie
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You’d miss a lot in my small town where the Masonic Lodge is the go to venue for many smaller functions.
I agree with a previous poster that as long as the couple is not Catholic and both are free to marry there is no problem in attending the wedding.
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Exiled_Child
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gamewell45;131d of regret saying what I did in my earlier post. In real life I would never said:say something like that. It would be totally out of character for me. One of the great things about CAF though, is its semi-anonymity. It frees us up to discuss things we ordinarily wouldn’t be able to. For instance, we can talk about our prayer lives or about fasting, both of which are normally supposed to be kept to oneself, lest one inadvertantly fall into the trap of acting pious in order to impress other people. It’s useful, because it allows us to discuss the subject of Freemasonry in a somewhat more open way. It’s necessary, too, because if one goes on the internet and begins talking about Masonry, it’s inevitable that one sounds clinically insane. The only solution is to first establish that one legitimately knows what one is talking about.
So, as far as your post is concerned, each lodge is individual, but they share overarching commonalities, too. Some are more focused on “occult” stuff, while others are primarily social gatherings, drinking beer or whatnot. So if you’re a Mason and you’re somehow unfamiliar with Baphomet, think back to when you were taught the word. You were initially taught thel. correct pronunciation, but were deliberately misled in regards to spelling. A minor deception, but it shows the essential template present in all Masonry. In other words, the same statement has completely different meanings dependant upon you location in the group’s hierarchy. Two Masons can thus have entirely different understandings of what’s going on, each according to their level.01452]Third Degree Master Mason which is as high as you can go in blue lodge. I’m definitely unfamiliar with Baphomet as is most likely everyone in my lodge. I can also tell you as a Past Master, I’ve never witnessed nor brought up Baphomet in open lodge.
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Exiled_Child
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I kind of regret saying what I did in my earlier post. In real life I would never, never say something like that. It would be totally out of character for me. One of the great things about CAF though, is its semi-anonymity. It frees us up to discuss things we ordinarily wouldn’t be able to. For instance, we can talk about our prayer lives or about fasting, both of which are normally supposed to be kept to oneself, lest one inadvertantly fall into the trap of acting pious in order to impress other people. It’s useful, because it allows us to discuss the subject of Freemasonry in a somewhat more open way. It’s necessary, too, because if one goes on the internet and begins talking about Masonry, it’s inevitable that one sounds clinically insane. The only solution is to first establish that one legitimately knows what one is talking about.Third Degree Master Mason which is as high as you can go in blue lodge. I’m definitely unfamiliar with Baphomet as is most likely everyone in my lodge. I can also tell you as a Past Master, I’ve never witnessed nor brought up Baphomet in open lodge.
So, as far as your post is concerned, each lodge is individual, but they share overarching commonalities, too. Some are more focused on “occult” stuff, while others are primarily social gatherings, drinking beer and whatnot. So if you’re a Mason and you’re somehow unfamiliar with Baphomet, think back to when you were taught the word. You were initially taught the correct pronunciation, but were deliberately misled in regards to spelling. A minor deception, but it shows the essential template present in all Masonry. In other words, the same statement has completely different meanings dependant upon your location in the group’s hierarchy; two Masons could have entirely different understandings each according to his level. Put another way, you are worshipping Baphomet, whether you realize it or not.
But while I’m extremely critical of Masonry itself, I definitely don’t want to disrespect or offend any individual Mason. I also don’t want to seem to be demeaning anyone’s Masonic relatives. Rather, my intention is to warn fellow Christians that when confronted with Masonry they should turn and run as though from a plague. Far better to stand with Christ! Catholics need to know that there are very definite and valid reasons for the Church’s prohibition against joining up. I stand with St. Maximillian Kolbe - I agree with both his analysis of and his stance against Freemasonry.
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TimothyH
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Nonsense.So, you’re saying that the deity worshipped by all Freemasons, Baphomet, is, in fact, Roman Catholic.
How interesting.
(Below is a thumbnail of the God explicity worshipped by each and every Freemason, for those who didn’t know.)
My father was a freemason. He was a Methodist and worshipped Jesus. We prayed to Jesus with him as he was dying.
You have no clue what you are talking about and need to be quiet.
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Josie33
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Hey Leonie, I would suggest speaking to a priest about your concerns as they are best suited to give you direction in these sort of circumstances.
However – I myself would never step foot into a masonic temple. I’m a descendant of a freemason, my father belonged to a lodge. He has now passed and I will not go into detail about what happened to me after his death to cause me to seek the help of a priest, but I will tell you that I discovered from the priest that a generational curse falls upon the family line of freemasons – if the member dies without having repented of & renounced their involvement.
Freemasonry is a sin of idolatry. It IS Satanic. Yes, you cannot serve two masters – You either go to church and worship Jesus Christ or you go to the masonic temple and worship Satan. Whether you know it or not, or want to admit it or not, Satan is the source behind freemasonry. And yes, generational curses are real, and I discovered this the hard way. Exodus 20:5-6 clearly states, “You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.”
Anyway – the priest led me in prayers to renounce every oath and vow that a freemason takes during initiation going through all 33 degrees since it is not always possible to know the actual degree of involvement of an ancestor. I could feel a release taking place during the prayers. Also all jewelry, memorabilia, books and regalia had to be renounced and destroyed as well.
So Leonie if I was you, I would not attend a Christian wedding held on Satanic grounds. But again – please seek out a priest for guidance and direction.
Good luck!
Josie
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gamewell45
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The only response i can give you is that I both understand and respect your viewpoint.
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Exiled_Child
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I have an enormous number of Methodist Freemasons on one side of my family, Tim, and they all worship Jesus as well. (The other side has some Freemasons in it, too.) I’m not going to engage in a snippy tit for tat, but it sounds as though we may have similar family histories, which means you don’t have a monopoly on this sort of information. Also, I’ve spent my share of time agonizing over my relatives and ancestor’s fates, so please don’t misunderstand me and think that I’m deriding your father or anyone else, because that’s the furthest thing from my mind. Also, it should be born in mind that American lodges are quite different from European lodges.
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astenken
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Absolutely spot on! Here is a good starting off point to people who are scandalized by the notion that freemasonry is not as it seems: amazon.com/Masonry-Unmasked-Insider-Reveals-Secrets/dp/1592762271
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JackVk
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I’m no fan of the Freemasons, but I do know that the whole alleged business with Baphomet was part of an embarrassing moment for Pope Leo XIII called the Taxil Hoax:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax
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ThatsNoBueno
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I just find it funny when someone attacks or criticizes the Catholic Church and Faith, Catholics always say to research the facts, information, read the catechism, read the Bible, etc. etc. However, when Catholics attacks other religions or organizations, they don’t seem to do the same thing. Hilarious if you ask me.
The Church’s opposition to Freemasonry is merely political I’m nature from a purely historical standpoint. Theological arguments were used to support this opposition. I get that.
Freemasonry in the past supported and advocated for democracy, freedom of speech, separation of Church and State, and the like. The Church in the past strongly opposed these ideals, given the power and influence they held in the past in Europe.
You can make theological arguments against Freemasonry, fine. Whatever. However, please check your facts when attacking and criticizing Freemasonry. You wouldn’t like it when Protestsnts or Muslims attack the Faith. You would want them to check the facts and read into the Catholic Faith instead of criticizing the Faith. Why can’t you do the same for Freemasonry.
Catholic sites on Freemasonry isn’t the “best” place to get information on the topic. Just as a Evangelical Protestestant or Muslim sites isn’t the best place to get information on the Catholic Faith.
Double standards people.
There are countless Catholics who are Freemason. There are even Knights of Colombus who are also Freemason. In fact, I know a Grand Knight of a Knights of Colombus who was also a Freemason. There are Knights of Colombus chapters who do collaborations with local chapters of the Freemaosns.
Freemasonry is a charitable organization. That’s all they are. Plain and simple.
Yeah they preform “weird” rituals and ceremonies, but the same can be said about the Knights of Colombus, because they do in fact perform “weird” rituals and ceremonies.
Weird is a pretty subjective term anyways, as one can imagine.
The Church’s opposition to Freemasonry is merely political I’m nature from a purely historical standpoint. Theological arguments were used to support this opposition. I get that.
Freemasonry in the past supported and advocated for democracy, freedom of speech, separation of Church and State, and the like. The Church in the past strongly opposed these ideals, given the power and influence they held in the past in Europe.
You can make theological arguments against Freemasonry, fine. Whatever. However, please check your facts when attacking and criticizing Freemasonry. You wouldn’t like it when Protestsnts or Muslims attack the Faith. You would want them to check the facts and read into the Catholic Faith instead of criticizing the Faith. Why can’t you do the same for Freemasonry.
Catholic sites on Freemasonry isn’t the “best” place to get information on the topic. Just as a Evangelical Protestestant or Muslim sites isn’t the best place to get information on the Catholic Faith.
Double standards people.
There are countless Catholics who are Freemason. There are even Knights of Colombus who are also Freemason. In fact, I know a Grand Knight of a Knights of Colombus who was also a Freemason. There are Knights of Colombus chapters who do collaborations with local chapters of the Freemaosns.
Freemasonry is a charitable organization. That’s all they are. Plain and simple.
Yeah they preform “weird” rituals and ceremonies, but the same can be said about the Knights of Colombus, because they do in fact perform “weird” rituals and ceremonies.
Weird is a pretty subjective term anyways, as one can imagine.
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