Ancient Astronaut Hypothesis: what are your thoughts?

[sehacopian]

Perhaps they weren’t the exact same people. In the Hebrew OT, the English transliteration is “the ones distinguished.” Distinguished for what? You would have to read the chapter to see what they are distinguished for. The “distinguished ones” in Genesis were so horrible that God had to destroy the whole world to get rid of them. That’s pretty bad. He never destroyed the world again, so I conclude the ‘distinguished ones’ of Numbers are not exactly the same ‘distinguished ones’ of Genesis. Even the two words in Hebrew are a little different. That’s my :twocents:

There is, in fact, still debate as to wether the flood of Noah was global or local. Young earth creationists and Gap creationists argue that it was global. Day age creationists and Progressive creationists and Theistic evolutionists argue it was local. I’m personally not so sure about the issue.

“(THIS,) dear friends, is now my second letter to you. In both I have been recalling to you what you already know, to rouse you to honest thought. Remember the predictions made by God’s own prophets, and the commandment given by the Lord and Saviour through your apostles. First of all, note this: in the last days there will come scoffers who live self-indulgent lives; they will mock you and say: “What has happened to his promised coming? Our fathers have been laid to rest, but still everything goes on exactly as it always has done since the world began.” In maintaining this they forget that there were heavens and earth long ago, created by God’s word out of water and with water; and that the first world was destroyed by water, the water of the flood. By God’s word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for burning; they are being kept until the day of judgement when the godless will be destroyed. Here is something, dear friends, which you must not forget: in the Lord’s sight one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day. It is not that the Lord is slow in keeping his promise, as some suppose, but that he is patient with you. It is not his will that any should be lost, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. On that day the heavens will disappear with a great rushing sound, the elements will be dissolved in flames, and the earth with all that is in it will be brought to judgement.” (2 Peter 3:1-10)

Young earth creationists argue that the first world was the world before the flood of Noah

Gap creationists argue that the first world was the world between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2

Day age creationists as well as Progressive creationists and Theistic evolutionists argue the the first world refers to a time when the human population was concentrated in the middle east, hence only a local flood was necessary to wipe out the human race. They reject the out of Africa theory

So regardless I’m pretty sure that all Christians (Please let me know if I am mistaken) believe that there were only 8 human survivors of the flood of Noah. THIS is the MAIN PROBLEM with the ancient astronaut hypothesis: Why are we here?

I think I am going to have to agree with you: The Nephilim are extinct from the flood and they are not us. But then this begs the question: who were they? If they were hybrids between fallen angels and humans, then where are the fossils?

Someone else suggested that they were descendants from the line of Cain. If this is the case, then why did God flood them all out especially since he never forbade powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain? It really seems as though such a crime would not be perverse enough for God to wipe out the human race.

 

[eddie_too]

if I recall correctly, the word angel refers equally to messengers or men sent from God as well as to spiritual beings who also could be sent by God. it does not however require that the word means both at the same time, nor does it exclude the word from meaning both at the same time. in other words, human beings could be referred to as angels if they were sent by God to do God’s will.

the correct understanding of the word in the context used is essential to increase our understanding of bible passages where the word is used.

in recent times, we have tended to restrict the meaning of the word angel to disembodied spirits.

 

[mikekle]

So regardless I’m pretty sure that all Christians (Please let me know if I am mistaken) believe that there were only 8 human survivors of the flood of Noah. THIS is the MAIN PROBLEM with the ancient astronaut hypothesis: Why are we here?

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This isnt possible, the bible clearly says the Nephilim were here before AND AFTER the flood, so at least 1 of them had to survive the flood…?

 

[sehacopian]

This isnt possible, the bible clearly says the Nephilim were here before AND AFTER the flood, so at least 1 of them had to survive the flood…?

As someone else already said, Nephilim MEANS distinguished ones. They do not have to be distinguished for the same reason, so perhaps not all references to the Nephilim are references to the same thing.

 

[sehacopian]

Thats the question I have too.

Ive thought alot about the ‘grasshopper’ reference before, I know in one particular book, it gives the height of the Nephilim around 4 miles tall!!! I believe they used Jewish Els as the unit of measurement, but I have trouble believing they were THAT tall, I dont know, maybe the ones pre-flood were much larger, but a being 4 miles tall would utterly have to spend the entire day eating, just to have enough energy to move.

I think they were more like 15-25ft tall.

Exactly. Our attention should be drawn to Isaiah 40:22

“that God sits enthroned on the vaulted roof of the world, and its inhabitants appear as grasshoppers? He stretches out the skies like a curtain, spreads them out like a tent to live in;” (Isaiah 40:22)

It would, obviously, be blasphemous to suggest that the Nephilim were as big as GOD himself

 

[boomerang]

I think I am going to have to agree with you: The Nephilim are extinct from the flood and they are not us. But then this begs the question: who were they? If they were hybrids between fallen angels and humans, then where are the fossils?

 

[MrSnaith]

The Nephilim are extinct from the flood and they are not us. But then this begs the question: who were they? If they were hybrids between fallen angels and humans, then where are the fossils?

The interpretation that the Nephilim were demons is not supported by the actual text. The text reads:

Now Nephilim were upon the earth in those days. For after the sons of God went in to the daughters of men and they brought forth children, these are the mighty men of old, men of renown.

It’s clear the Nephilim are men. Consider what is said of them: they are “Men of Renown”. In Ecclesiasticus 44:1-20 we read:

[1] Let us now praise men of renown, and our fathers in their generation. [2] The Lord hath wrought great glory through his magnificence from the beginning. [3] Such as have borne rule in their dominions, men of great power, and endued with their wisdom, shewing forth in the prophets the dignity of prophets, [4] And ruling over the present people, and by the strength of wisdom instructing the people in most holy words. [5] Such as by their skill sought out musical tunes, and published canticles of the scriptures.

[6] Rich men in virtue, studying beautifulness: living at peace in their houses. [7] All these have gained glory in their generations, and were praised in their days. [8] They that were born of them have left a name behind them, that their praises might be related: [9] And there are some, of whom there is no memorial: who are perished, as if they had never been: and are become as if they had never been born, and their children with them. [10] But these were men of mercy, whose godly deeds have not failed:

[11] Good things continue with their seed, [12] Their posterity are a holy inheritance, and their seed hath stood in the covenants. [13] And their children for their sakes remain for ever: their seed and their glory shall not be forsaken. [14] Their bodies are buried in peace, and their name liveth unto generation and generation. [15] Let the people shew forth their wisdom, and the church declare their praise.

[16] Henoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he may give repentance to the nations. [17] Noe was found perfect, just, and in the time of wrath he was made a reconciliation. [18] Therefore was there a remnant left to the earth, when the flood came. [19] The covenants of the world were made with him, that all flesh should no more be destroyed with the flood. [20] Abraham was the great father of a multitude of nations, and there was not found the like to him in glory, who kept the law of the most High, and was in covenant with him.

In verse 2, we see the phrase “from the beginning”, which recalls the creation story. So, the text is harking back to the Genesis creation account, which fits, since here we’re talking about “men of renown” a phrase only found here and in Genesis 6:4.

Verses 3 to 15 describes what men of renown looked like. Verses 16 to 20 provide us with some examples of these men. Noah is referenced as one of these men. This appears to imply to us that Noah was a Nephilim, one of the great men of renown.

Someone else suggested that they were descendants from the line of Cain. If this is the case, then why did God flood them all out especially since he never forbade powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain

The intermarriage of the two lines is not actually indicated to be a crime in the text. This section of text is pretty sparse, not giving a great deal of detail. From what I can tell, the set up to the flood narrative features three main points: the sons of God married the daughters of men, there were Nephilim on the earth – great men of renown, and man had become exceedingly wicked.

So what do we know about the sons of God?

In the second chapter of Wisdom, we see reference to the phrase “son of God”, with implication that a son of God is one who has knowledge of God, and whom God will protect from harm.

In the third chapter of Daniel, there is reference to a mysterious Son of God who protects Sidrach, Misach, and Abdenago from the flames of Nabuchodonosor’s furnace. This may be interpreted to be an angel.

In the first, second and thirty-eighth chapters of Job, we see “sons of God,” who are normally interpreted in this book to be angels.

In Psalm 88, the saints are referred to as sons of God.

And throughout the New Testament the phrase “sons of God” is consistently used to refer to the saints of the New Covenant.

So, we see that, Biblically speaking, the “sons of God” may be interpreted to either mean angels, or saints. Hence, the dual interpretation of Genesis 6:4 as either referring to angels, or to the descendants of Seth. Yet, we have no other precedent for angels producing seed (i.e., producing offspring with humans… or anything else for that matter). At least… not that I’m aware of. So, to my mind, the correct interpretation of the sons of God here is that it refers to the line of Seth.

And I think that’s important to demonstrate a simple fact: the whole earth, all nations and peoples (both the descendants of Cain and of Seth), had become deeply corrupted by sin. And it seems to me that the reference to the Nephilim was an introduction to the character of Noah, and why it was that he should be particularly considered as a man of virtue. He stood among the likes of Henoch and Abraham as a great man of renown.

 

[The_Wizard]

For a completely secular point of view you should view this youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ

 

[mikekle]

**Moses killed Og, king of the Rehpaim who lived on the Golan heights near Mt. Hermon. Og had a bed nine cubits long (13.5 to 15.5 feet) and was called “last of the remnant of the giants”

Joshua drove the three remaining sons of Anak out of Hebron in his first campaignm. They evidently reoccupied the city of Hebron while Joshua was waging his campaign against Canaanite cities in the North. Caleb later retook Hebron and killed the three giants[7].

Later David and Saul fought a remnant of smaller giants who had taken refuge in the Philistine city of Gath. They included Goliath, who was about nine feet tall, and his brother Lahmi “whose spear had a shaft like a weaver’s rod”. The last of the Gittite giants was slain, “In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot—twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha**”

If they were not actual giants, why would they see fit to give the dimensions of Ogs Bed? They also referred to them as ‘giants’ Why would they call them this is they were nothing more than regular sized men?

Note, they mentioned the 6 fingers and toes as well.

Im not sure why some people have trouble believing this… back then, there were giants…so what, its not that big a deal? there were a lot of strange things back in OT times.

 

[catholic1seeks]

“THE human race began to increase and to spread over the earth and daughters were born to them. The sons of the gods saw how beautiful these daughters were, so they took for themselves such women as they chose. But the LORD said, “My spirit will not remain in a human being for ever; because he is mortal flesh, he will live only for a hundred and twenty years.” In those days as well as later, when the sons of the gods had intercourse with the daughters of mortals and children were born to them, the Nephilim were on the earth; they were the heroes of old, people of renown.” (Genesis 6:1-4)

One interpretation of the above passage is that the sons of the gods are angels/aliens and that the daughters of mortals were hominids, most probably the homo erectus. Many early church fathers seem to have similar ideas

Justin Martyr writes in chapter 5 of his Second Apology, entitled "“How the Angels Transgressed”:
God, when He had made the whole world, and subjected things earthly to man, and arranged the heavenly elements for the increase of fruits and rotation of the seasons, and appointed this divine law - for these things also He evidently made for man - committed the care of men and of all things under heaven to angels whom He appointed over them. But the angels transgressed this appointment, and were captivated by love of women, and begat children who are those that are called demons; and besides, they afterwards subdued the human race to themselves, partly by magical writings, and partly by fears and punishments they occasioned, and partly by teaching them to offer sacrifices, and incense, and libations, of which things they stood in need after they enslaved by lustful passions; and among men they sowed murders, wars, adulteries, intemperate needs, and all wickedness. . . . (p. 363, vol. 1, The Ante-Nicene Fathers)

The main problem I have with this hypothesis is that if the hybrid demons are modern humans then why are we still here after the flood of Noah was meant to wipe us out? Do any of you think you have any ideas on this subject?

There was a similar thread about aliens having a role in the creation of the human race. The general response seemed to be that there wouldn’t really be a problem with this, theologically. God can use secondary causes.

 

[sehacopian]

There was a similar thread about aliens having a role in the creation of the human race. The general response seemed to be that there wouldn’t really be a problem with this, theologically. God can use secondary causes.

Exactly. I agree.

The MAIN problem is not theological but rather Biblical

“those who had refused to obey in the past, while God waited patiently in the days when Noah was building the ark; in it a few people, eight in all, were brought to safety through the water.” (1 Peter 3:20)

1. If the Nephilim were descendants from the line of Cain then why was intermarriage never forbidden? Also, as somebody else stated, why were they belong redeeming? Humans couldn’t be, so they must be fallen angels.
2. If they were fallen angels/aliens that bred with the homo erectus to create the human race then what was the purpose of the Flood? If it was to remove the stain of angelic DNA then why aren’t we homo erectus?
3. If they were fallen angels/aliens that bred with homo sapiens thus creating a separate race of giants that were made extinct in the flood then where are the fossils? Somebody else suggested that the real difference was in the souls. If this is so then why are the Nephilim called giants to whom ordinary humans looked like grasshoppers? This would make more sense if the homo sapiens are the giants and it is the homo erectus which looked like grasshoppers. But I already mentioned the problems with that view.

 

[mikekle]

There was a similar thread about aliens having a role in the creation of the human race. The general response seemed to be that there wouldn’t really be a problem with this, theologically. God can use secondary causes.

I agree as well, the only problem with this is, many people dont make the connection that God created the aliens, they automatically think this theory is suggesting the aliens ARE the ‘gods’.

 

[sehacopian]

I agree as well, the only problem with this is, many people dont make the connection that God created the aliens, they automatically think this theory is suggesting the aliens ARE the ‘gods’.

God created angels. Angels rebelled against God. Angels came down to earth in human form and Sumerian mythology erroneously refers to these angels/aliens as “the Gods” in a polytheistic sense but genesis calls then “the sons of the gods” as in powerful people. Here are some verses to help understand what I mean:

““This is my sentence: Though you are gods, all sons of the Most High,” (Psalms 82:6)

“The LORD answered, “See now, I have made you like a god for Pharaoh, with your brother Aaron as your spokesman.” (Exodus 7:1)

“their unbelieving minds are so blinded by the god of this passing age that the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, cannot dawn upon them and bring them light.” (2 Corinthians 4:4)

So the aliens are “the sons of the gods” (lowercase g) not “the Gods” (polytheistic uppercase G) which makes sense in light of the above verses

 

[mikekle]

God created angels. Angels rebelled against God. Angels came down to earth in human form and Sumerian mythology erroneously refers to these angels/aliens as “the Gods” in a polytheistic sense but genesis calls then “the sons of the gods” as in powerful people. Here are some verses to help understand what I mean:

““This is my sentence: Though you are gods, all sons of the Most High,” (Psalms 82:6)

“The LORD answered, “See now, I have made you like a god for Pharaoh, with your brother Aaron as your spokesman.” (Exodus 7:1)

“their unbelieving minds are so blinded by the god of this passing age that the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, cannot dawn upon them and bring them light.” (2 Corinthians 4:4)

So the aliens are “the sons of the gods” (lowercase g) not “the Gods” (polytheistic uppercase G) which makes sense in light of the above verses

Well, yes, Im sure this does explain what some of them are and what some ancient civilizations were seeing, but there may also be some beings coming from somewhere else out there (real extraterrestrial life, not angel related).

I mean, look at it like this, mankind has been to the moon, we may go to Mars in years to come, if our society goes on and the second coming does not happen for 1000s of years, and nothing else interrupts progress Im sure mankind will have the ability to travel the stars by then, maybe we will be visiting distant planets that were created later, obviously, they would not be as advanced…they would likely view us as some kind of ‘gods’, but in reality, we are nothing more than a regular race of people who progressed to a certain level.

 

[iohannes13]

Plus there are some ancient structures that were built with such precision, we could not replicate them today, even with modern technology/ equipment.

This idea, that the ancients were not sophisticated enough to build such complex structures, is a Eurocentric belief based in racism. Some people would rather believe that aliens built the structures rather than accept that Western Culture is not the pinnacle of all civilizations. The ancients civilizations had knowledge. Unfortunately, that knowledge was lost due to the evolution and changes of the cultures, etc. Just because we cannot figure out how they moved thousand ton stones across the landscape and then stacked them up on top of each other without modern equipment doesn’t mean that they didn’t have their methods and weren’t able to accomplish it. No one questions the Roman Coloseum when it comes to ancient monuments. I’ve watched several documentaries on this structure and one thing is apparent, the modern scholars all agree that we could not build such a structure today without the help of computers. Yet the Romans did not have computers and they somehow managed to build it themselves. But it’s not questioned because Romans are linked to European history. Of course they are sophisticated enough to build such structures.

Also, if you look closely at the Ancient Aliens episodes when they talk about the precision of the structures, they really aren’t that precise. Pay close attention to the lines and how the presenter adjusts their instrument to make it appear like they are precise.

 

[iohannes13]

God created angels. Angels rebelled against God. Angels came down to earth in human form and Sumerian mythology erroneously refers to these angels/aliens as “the Gods” in a polytheistic sense but genesis calls then “the sons of the gods” as in powerful people. Here are some verses to help understand what I mean:

““This is my sentence: Though you are gods, all sons of the Most High,” (Psalms 82:6)

“The LORD answered, “See now, I have made you like a god for Pharaoh, with your brother Aaron as your spokesman.” (Exodus 7:1)

“their unbelieving minds are so blinded by the god of this passing age that the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, cannot dawn upon them and bring them light.” (2 Corinthians 4:4)

So the aliens are “the sons of the gods” (lowercase g) not “the Gods” (polytheistic uppercase G) which makes sense in light of the above verses

The Book of ENOCH give details about the fall of the Angels. But I’ve read interpretations that the book does not really represent literal Angels. One interpretation explains that the Book of ENOCH was written around the time that the Jews were released from Babylon. That the book was written by Jews that were not in captivity but wrote the book basically criticizing the Jews that returned from Babylon (fallen angels) because they had adopted Babylonian culture and customs and were no longer good Jewish worshippers. So if the book of ENOCH is referring to real men, then Genisis must also be. The book of Gensis is also believed to have been written during the time that the Jews were captive in Babylon. That is why there are similarities in the stories.

 

[You]

The ancient Irish bronze age people, the Fir Bolg (men of the bags), were said to have met and possibly intermarried with the Tuatha de Dannan (people of Danu). The Tuatha de Dannan were said to have appeared mysteriously on top of Sliabh Aniaran (Mountain of Iron) in a cloud. They were tall and fair and were the origin of the stories of the Aes Sidhe (people of the mounds, fairy mounds). So they became the fairys who lived underground.

In reality they may have been migrant celts from continental Europe who brought iron to Ireland. As they appeared mysteriously in a cloud on top of Iron mountain, which also has coal deposits, I reckon, it might be how people chose to remember and record history. New Iron workers smelting iron with coke on top of the mountain and naturally producing a mysterious cloud of smoke in the process. Fairy mounds and fairies living underground being the furnaces and iron and coal mines.

Its just easier to remember history if you jazz it up slightly…

 

[vz71]

Seems to me a constant redress of the theory that if we do not understand, it must have been aliens.

 

[Norm_The_Robot]

canarycryradio.com/2015/09/06/ccr-098-true-legends-with-tim-alberino/

Podcast from Canary Cry Radio with a guy who looks at the ancient aliens theory from biblical perspective. It is pretty interesting if you have time to check it out!

CONSTRUCTING THE PAST IN ORDER TO CONTROL THE FUTURE. That is what the nefarious elite of the world have been doing since antiquity. We have been taught in our history and science classes, that mankind is the only civilized species to ever walk the earth. Yet, the Bible, and many other ancient cultures, tell a different story. What many today dismiss as mere myth, may actually be our true history. And what many perceive as reality, may be a facade, a cover up, a grand conspiracy, to keep hidden our actual past. And while the nefarious elite group responsible for the cover up have done so in the world of academia and the down-flow of information through the channels of institution, there remain locations, and structures, left open to be explored, which even they could not hide from the masses. Tim Alberino is the Director & Expedition Leader for GenSix Productions. He is a researcher and explorer who spent 10 years living in the Amazon Rain forest of Peru with interests on many subjects relating to the Genesis 6 narrative, including, giants, the occult, the Nazi regime, ufology, transgenics and transhumanism. It’s strange that it took him so long to get on Canary Cry Radio.

In this episode, we speak with Tim Alberino about the recent release of his film ‘True Legends: Technology of the Fallen.’ But we dive into other subject matters from the strong possibility of a pre-adamic race, to biblical theology framed through the eyes of the supernatural, bible prophecy, and the Genesis 6 paradigm. We discover that Tim’s unique background and experience lead him to explore these strange fringe areas, specifically, an event he wouldn’t share with us in totality, since it is being written down in book form. Tim also shared a story about how he saw what he believed to be highly classified government craft, a mere 30 feet above his head. If true, it would verify much of what many of us alternative conspiracy researchers have been suggesting in the existence of a Secret Space Program with exotic technology that derive from reverse engineering craft from fallen angelic beings. This episode will both challenge some, and reinforce ones faith in others, that the fringe paradigm of Christianity really does make the Gospel message of Jesus Christ shine far brighter.

 

[iohannes13]

Why is it that the aliens in the past helped create amazing monuments but today they only spend their time operating in secrecy, kidnapping the most idiotic people that they can find simply to put cold probes up their bum?