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Ancient Faith Radio to podcast Orientale Lumen XV Conference. 👍 Very exciting!
Beginning Monday, June 20, 2011, AFR will broadcast lectures—just minutes after they occur—from the Orientale Lumen XV Conference. This year’s conference is titled “Rome and the Communion of Churches: Bishop, Patriarch, or Pope?” and speakers will include Metropolitan Jonah of the OCA and Metropolitan Kallistos of Diokleia. Please stay tuned!
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Plenary Speakers (confirmed):

Metropolitan Jonah (Orthodox) Primate of the Orthodox Church of America
[Washington, DC]

Metropolitan Kallistos of Diokleia (Orthodox) Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople

Archimandrite Robert Taft, SJ (Greek Catholic) Pontifical Oriental Institute,
[The Vatican]

Msgr. Michael Magee (Roman Catholic) St. Charles Borromeo Seminary
[Philadelphia, PA]

Father Ron Roberson, CSP (Roman Catholic) USCCB
[Washington, DC]

Sr. Dr. Vassa Larin (Orthodox) Russian Orthodox Church
[University of Vienna, Austria]

Dr. Adam DeVille (Greek Catholic) University of Saint Francis
[Ft. Wayne, IN]

Moderator – Metropolitan Kallistos of Diokleia

Various Church leaders in attendance will make opening and closing remarks.

Each plenary speaker will give a session followed by a panel discussion with audience questions, using these:
  1. Discuss the conference theme from the perspective of your own tradition and expertise.
  2. Review various aspects of the ecclesiology of the Orthodox and Catholic churches, especially related to the role of the office of pope.
    Closing session: review and discuss the recent “Vision of Unity” document produced by the North American Orthodox-Catholic consultation.
The papers presented will be published and provided to the attendees in a Proceedings book after the conference.

Participants get a Liturgical book of all services during the conference.
 
5Loaves said:
Ancient Faith Radio to podcast Orientale Lumen XV Conference. 👍 Very exciting!
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They have included the Opening Session as well now in the podcasts. 😃

This is a great opportunity to hear such important speakers address this most significant topic “Rome and the Communion of Churches: Bishop, Patriarch or Pope”.

I’m just beginning to listen to the Opening Session. I hope we can all help with some financial support for the Conference since we are getting to “be there” via this first chance to participate in an OL Conference via podcasts. 😃 These wonderful annual conferences have done so much to bring EC, Orthodox, and Latin Catholic clergy and faithful together for real dialog, worship and fellowship.
 
Thank you 5Loaves for posting this… Vico gave me the information and I really wanted to go…I can’t wait to start listening.
 
I would like to hear people’s thoughts on the speeches given in this conference. Yesterday I listened to Plenary One by Archimandrite Robert Taft, and thought it was excellent. What I particularly liked was his emphasis that both sides be honest about their histories and stop engaging in pseudo-historical polemics. That kind of honesty is exactly what we need for this dialogue to progress. Anyone else?
 
dcointin said:
I would like to hear people’s thoughts on the speeches given in this conference. Yesterday I listened to Plenary One by Archimandrite Robert Taft, and thought it was excellent. What I particularly liked was his emphasis that both sides be honest about their histories and stop engaging in pseudo-historical polemics. That kind of honesty is exactly what we need for this dialogue to progress. Anyone else?
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I just listened to Plenary One by Archimandrite Robert Taft, and I also though his speech was excellent. I thought he raised really valid issues that both sides need to address, and I agree that his honesty and bluntness was refreshing.

In the Opening Session- I loved Metropolitan Kallistos Ware- I seriously laughed all through the Opening Session, but during his introductory talk especially. I had no idea he was so funny! I’d never had the pleasure of listening to him speak, but have heard much about him so I was delighted to find him so down to earth. Really cool.
 
Has anyone listened to Metropolitan Jonah (Plenary Six) yet? His paper was called “Papacy and Autocephaly: Contradiction or Opportunity?” I would love to hear people’s thoughts on his speech.
 
I’d be interested to hear an Orthodox reaction to Taft’s speech.

Anyone else think Met. Kallistos sounds a bit like Alfred Hitchcock? A good atmosphere all around…

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S Prazdnikom!

I’ve only really listened to the Opening, Archimandrite Taft and Sr. Vasa. I skipped to her because I was very taken with her at the OL Conference I attended a few years back. I’ve only heard bits and pieces of the other presenters because I was multitasking while listening. I hope to really be able to attentively listen to the rest in the next few days. Fr. Taft never pulls any punches. :eek: Choosing him as the first speaker was an interesting choice. 🙂

I really wish they had included the discussions. I know there were some panel discussions after the presentations at the Conference I attended, which were of course very interesting. Those were not included in the DVDs I purchased.

Oh well, I’m still* thrilled* we’ve been given a chance to hear all these speakers for free. Again, I very much encourage people to make a donation. Jack Figel has never even broken even on these conferences I think and they are such an important place for East West dialog, and shared worship and fellowship. I hope some of the worship will make it on to OLTV.
 
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I’ve only really listened to the Opening, Archimandrite Taft and Sr. Vasa. …
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I also really enjoyed Sr. Vasa’s presentation. So far , however, I found the presentation of Met. Jonah the most interesting. It had its flaws, but the evident congruence with Ravenna, and the Georgetown statements is striking. I think, but I am not sure, that it helps to shed some light on his thinking about his primacy as metropolitan, and illuminate earlier comments in support a strong (quasi-papal to some) sense of primacy. But if this were so, it would perhaps undermine him at this difficult time - both with the Holy Synod, and the laity who now are supporting him. Overall the presentation, especially at this time, was rather amazing.
 
Someone please get Metropolitan Jonah over here to CAF so he can read about the High Petrine view!!! His concerns and proposals definitely align with the High Petrine ideal.

I do have to wonder, however. He states that, in his opinion, the greatest concern of the EO is the integrity of the authority of the LOCAL bishop. Is he unaware that Vatican 1’s Decree on the Primacy itself explicitly affirms that the primatial authority of the Pope is not intended to impede the authority of the local bishop, but rather is supposed to strengthen, support, and vindicate that local authority?

In another thread, some have pointed out the harangues in the Jerusalem Patriarchate of the uncanonical demotion of its former Patriarch to a monk. In the Catholic Church, such things can be appealed to the Pope for redress - and it is exactly for such matters that the authority of the Pope exists (i.e., to support his brother bishops and to perform a ministry of service for the Church). In the EO, because of the principle of “autocephaly,” there is no possibility for a local bishop to get justice if a local Synod wrongs him. This is an inherent problem that Metropolitan Johah recognized within EO’xy (in his speech).

Again, someone please invite him to CAF to read about the High Petrine position. The solution is already here. We just need to spread the word to our non-Catholic brethren about the High Petrine doctrine of the Catholic Church.

There really IS a way for Catholics and Orthodox to come together on the issue of ecclesiology.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
Brother Marduk,

Not meaning to offend, but I think these conference speakers are aware of the teachings of the Catholic Church already. If the answer were so simple as you say then the schism would have been settled awhile ago.

Personally, I think that Metropolitan Kallistos’ presentation gave a balanced Orthodox perspective on the problem.

Peter
 
Dear brother Peter,
Peter_Mogila said:
Not meaning to offend, but I think these conference speakers are aware of the teachings of the Catholic Church already. If the answer were so simple as you say then the schism would have been settled awhile ago.
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Absolutely no offense taken. I have met many cradle Catholics who were totally unaware of that teaching from the Decree on the Primacy, as well as many Orthodox - even priests - who were likewise unaware of it. When I meet non-Catholics who express statements or views that seem to indicate they are not aware of that teaching, I (naturally) can’t assume otherwise. When I was not yet Catholic, I had read the whole of Pastor Aeternus twice before, but - truth to tell - that particular teaching in the Decree on Primacy just did not register. In the same way, most of the arguments I use now in defense of the Catholic Faith, I had already heard many times before (on the receiving end :D) as a non-Catholic. Why they did not register in my mind and heart at that time — only God knows (well, I have a theory for myself which I arrived at after a lot of soul-searching, but I can’t assume its relevant or applicable for other people). I think part of it is that naturally limited range of cognizance all humans possess. In our everyday lives, our senses perceive a lot more of our environment than we are actually aware of.

In any case, I do understand and accept the point of your second sentence. Even actual awareness of the teaching under discussion will not automatically solve the particular matter at issue, nor guarantee an end to the schism (it’s a simple fact that there are other issues to resolve - though I believe they are ultimately resolvable). On the particular matter at issue, there is more to the conflict than just the teaching. There is also the disconnect many perceive between the teaching and the actual praxis. All I’ll say at this point is that this perception is based on some valid concerns, but also on reactionary misinterpretations of past actions by the Pope.
Personally, I think that Metropolitan Kallistos’ presentation gave a balanced Orthodox perspective on the problem.
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Admittedly, I have not had time to listen to all the podcasts.:o I just wanted to respond to a request from a few of the posters for comments on Metropolitan Jonah’s statements.🙂

Btw, I sometimes participate at Byzcath. From brother Alexander Roman’s comments, I guess he met you there. I have never had the pleasure of corresponding with you, but I trust brother Alex’s fairness, and since birds of a feather flock together, I also trust that you are a fair-minded individual who has great concern for the unity of Christ’s Church.🙂

Blessings,
Marduk

P.S. I am not sure if you are a priest. If so, please forgive me for presuming to give you a blessing. I always sign my posts to those in Holy Orders with “Humbly, Marduk.”
 
I downloaded all the MP3s available:

O. Various: Jack Figel, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, Metropolitan Kallistos, and Bishop John Michael Botean, letter of Patriarch Gregorios.
  1. Arch. Robert Taft, SJ (Greek Catholic)
  2. Msgr. Michael Magee (Catholic)
  3. Metr. Kallisos (Orthodox EP)
  4. Sr. Vassa Larin (ROCOR)
  5. Dr. Adam DeVille (Greek Catholic)
  6. Metr. Jonah (OCA)
    C. Fr. Ron Roberson, CSP (Catholic)
… and listened to some, including the last two. Metropolitan Jonah (OCA) said something I had not heard before: that the Orthodox are trying to eliminate overlaping jurisdictions. I wonder if this means that various Orthodox liturgical traditions are envisioned as being in one jurisdiction. For example in the USA I know of these Orthodox Jurisdictions:

Albanian Orthodox Diocese of America
Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of N. America
Bulgarian Eastern Orthodox Church
Carpatho Russian Orthodox Diocese in the USA
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto (Canada)
Jerusalem Patriarchate in North and South America
Orthodox Church in America
Romanian Orthodox Archdiocese in America & Canada
Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia
Serbian Orthodox Midwestern American Metropolitante
Serbian Orthodox New Gracanica Metropolitanate
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA
orthodoxyinamerica.org/

Does anyone here know the answer?
 
Vico said:
Metropolitan Jonah (OCA) said something I had not heard before: that the Orthodox are trying to eliminate overlaping jurisdictions. I wonder if this means that various Orthodox liturgical traditions are envisioned as being in one jurisdiction. For example in the USA I know of these Orthodox Jurisdictions:

Albanian Orthodox Diocese of America
Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of N. America
Bulgarian Eastern Orthodox Church
Carpatho Russian Orthodox Diocese in the USA
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto (Canada)
Jerusalem Patriarchate in North and South America
Orthodox Church in America
Romanian Orthodox Archdiocese in America & Canada
Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia
Serbian Orthodox Midwestern American Metropolitante
Serbian Orthodox New Gracanica Metropolitanate
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA
orthodoxyinamerica.org/

Does anyone here know the answer?
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The OCA already has Albanian, Romanian, and Bulgarian dioceses, but the idea is to develop an administratively unified North American Church - ultimately an indigenous autocephalous one. The Ligonier meeting was to be a step toward this end. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligonier_Meeting. It is longed for and will eliminate a lot of ancillary non-canonical goings. It is hard to make slow progress to this goal, however. My guess is that, it will happen, probably soon, with a suprising suddeness, like the reunification of Germany.
 
dvdjs said:
The OCA already has Albanian, Romanian, and Bulgarian dioceses, but the idea is to develop an administratively unified North American Church - ultimately an indigenous autocephalous one. The Ligonier meeting was to be a step toward this end. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligonier_Meeting. It is longed for and will eliminate a lot of ancillary non-canonical goings. It is hard to make slow progress to this goal, however. My guess is that, it will happen, probably soon, with a suprising suddeness, like the reunification of Germany.
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That is interesting. Yet the Ligonier meeting did not have participation of:

Albanian Orthodox Diocese of America
Jerusalem Patriarchate in North and South America
Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia

Perhaps the dream has been refreshed by the resolution achieved between ROC MP, ROCOR, and OCA in 2007? There has been difficulty for the Orthodox Churches to mutually include all the Orthodox Chuches in their diptychs.

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Sometimes I love ya
Sometimes you make me blue
Sometimes I feel good
At times I feel used
Loving you darling
Makes me so confused

I keep on fallin in and out of love with you
I never loved someone way that I loved you
 
5Loaves said:
Ancient Faith Radio to podcast Orientale Lumen XV Conference. 👍 Very exciting!
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Thank for posting about this. I have listened to the podcasts and feel so much better about the prospects of unification. Realistically there is a lot of work to be done but the quality and sincerity of the speakers invoked an optimism I have not had before.

I think that both Orthodox and Catholic Church members need to listen to these speakers multiple times. Hopefully, their words will sink in so that all can support unification.
 
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