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Hello to everyone!

I came across some information recently that I thought you all might find interesting. I’d like your thoughts on the matter.

Perhaps you have heard of the mythical lost island of Atlantis? I was familiar with this concept, though I’ve only just heard of another lost civilization, Lemuria or Mu. Atlantis was supposed to have been between North America and North Europe; Mu was supposed to have been between Asia and North America. Mu was significantly larger in size, spanning nearly the entire Pacific Ocean from coast to coast.

In researching the beliefs of the peoples who subscribe to the notion that these civilizations were indeed real, I came across the following. At one time, when all current continents as well as Atlantis and Mu existed, there was one religion on earth. All peoples simply worshiped God, and held certain beliefs regarding the origin of creation, etc. (Estimated time was 150,000 B.C.)

Once Atlantis and Lemuria went underwater, the remaining peoples divided up into 5 distinct religious groups, though each of the five remained based in the original one. According to what I read, all of today’s modern religions derive from one of these five:

Hindu
Egyptian
Incan
Mayan
Tibetan (At first I thought this referred to Buddhism, but no, it predates Buddhism; it is an ancient religion known as “Bon”)

The topic concluded by stating that one could trace all modern religions to one of these five. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, we trace back to Egyptian. Indeed, once one starts looking at the various beliefs, they are at times identical. They did worship sun gods and so on, while the Judeo-Christian-Islamic peoples dropped such ideas, moving instead toward monotheism that did not hold up earth-based deities. But the creation story, for instance, is almost identical, in Egyptian tradition, as it is in the OT. Also the Egyptians recognized a figure named “Mises” instead of Moses, who had a similar life story.

Does anyone know the validity/scholarly basis to such claims? Is this in fact the case? Was the literature I was reviewing merely opinion, or backed by theology?

Just found it interesting and thought others might as well.

Peace!
Light1111
 
Does anyone know the validity/scholarly basis to such claims? Is this in fact the case? Was the literature I was reviewing merely opinion, or backed by theology?
Hello. Interesting theories. Was there a particular book, article or author that you were reading? It might help people to answer your questions.
 
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Does anyone know the validity/scholarly basis to such claims? Is this in fact the case? Was the literature I was reviewing merely opinion, or backed by theology?

Just found it interesting and thought others might as well.

Peace!
Light1111
I don’t think you can use the words “scholarship” and “Atlantis” in the same sentence. If the alleged researcher, or sci-fi-fantasy writer more accurately, is basing his thesis on the existence of Atlantis a mythical continent, it follows that his so-called scholarship rests on an equally mythical, unfounded, fantastical theory.
 
Hello. Interesting theories. Was there a particular book, article or author that you were reading? It might help people to answer your questions.
The exploration started as a result of a few things mentioned on the “History Channel.” They were showing the sunken underwater pyramids, off the coast of Japan, and then they went into an explanation about Lemuria (the Pacific answer to Atlantis). They stated that the sunken underwater pyramids cannot be explained; where did they come from? So they entered the discussion about Lemuria, stating that some believe civilization began on that sunken continent. I simply went online and typed in “Lemuria” and went from reading one internet site to another, gathering this information as I read. Suffice it to say, none of the sites I looked at were scholarly ones, they were instead written by members of the New Age crowd, you might say. However, some scholars do write about the sunken underwater pyramids.

Some examples of sites entering this discussion:
news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070919-sunken-city.html
strangeworldofmystery.blogspot.com/2010/01/caribbean-underwater-pyramids.html
crystalinks.com/pyrunderwater.html
lemuria.net/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_%28continent%29
homepages.hawaiian.net/larryw/html/lemuria.html

As far as the “scholarly validity” question, I realize scholars don’t acknowledge Atlantis, and yet we did have the ancient Greek philosophers speaking about it. So there might be a teensy bit of merit in that! 😉

I was more curious if the scholars recognize that Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions derive from Egyptian belief, or not.

For images of the underwater pyramids:
google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1262&bih=600&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=sunken+underwater+pyramids+japan&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
 
In this theory, you state all people worshipped one God at one time.
I’m not sure which part of the theory is the least credible now.
 
In this theory, you state all people worshipped one God at one time.
I’m not sure which part of the theory is the least credible now.
I suppose I am simply curious about the roots of religions, especially as we know that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions are relatively “new” by comparison to some others (e.g. Hinduism).

If we did find scholarly basis to the claim that the J-C-I traditions derive from Egyptian beliefs (originally), then perhaps we could draw some very tentative conclusions regarding the basis of the claim that the 5 religions were the root bases to all modern traditions. Again, my question is merely one of curiosity. I like to consider very ancient traditions and see where our current beliefs intersect with those of the ancients!

Peace.
 
and yet we did have the ancient Greek philosophers speaking about it. So there might be a teensy bit of merit in that
The Greek philosopher (one) who spoke about Atlantis was Plato, and he was giving a morality tale. At the center of Atlantis was a temple to Poisidon, so the idea of “one god” is rather, well, stupid. It would mandate taking one aspect of the story literally and denying another.

There are a couple Ancient Egyptian creation myths, and none sound anything like the Judeo-Christian story. In the Egyptian story nothing exists except the ocean (similar) but then Ra appears (either from an egg or just appears) and he gave birth to other gods and goddesses who together create the world. Whereas in our story God creates everything, in the Egyptian story Ra creates gods who create things, and the only connection is that the things created in both stories are found in the natural world (big surprise).

All references I find to ‘Mises’ lead back to the one source of that Zeitgeist movie. One person said it, and now four or five others are saying it, but the only evidence anyone can provide is the first source, which gives no source.
 
The Greek philosopher (one) who spoke about Atlantis was Plato, and he was giving a morality tale. At the center of Atlantis was a temple to Poisidon, so the idea of “one god” is rather, well, stupid. It would mandate taking one aspect of the story literally and denying another.

There are a couple Ancient Egyptian creation myths, and none sound anything like the Judeo-Christian story. In the Egyptian story nothing exists except the ocean (similar) but then Ra appears (either from an egg or just appears) and he gave birth to other gods and goddesses who together create the world. Whereas in our story God creates everything, in the Egyptian story Ra creates gods who create things, and the only connection is that the things created in both stories are found in the natural world (big surprise).

All references I find to ‘Mises’ lead back to the one source of that Zeitgeist movie. One person said it, and now four or five others are saying it, but the only evidence anyone can provide is the first source, which gives no source.
Very good to know. Thank you for your response! Peace.
 
I suppose I am simply curious about the roots of religions, especially as we know that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions are relatively “new” by comparison to some others (e.g. Hinduism).

If we did find scholarly basis to the claim that the J-C-I traditions derive from Egyptian beliefs (originally), then perhaps we could draw some very tentative conclusions regarding the basis of the claim that the 5 religions were the root bases to all modern traditions. Again, my question is merely one of curiosity. I like to consider very ancient traditions and see where our current beliefs intersect with those of the ancients!

Peace.
Hi

very intersting thread.

To answer you the question that bothers you most (just an attempt ;))

I think the Jewish religion HAS indeed leanings from Egypt, at least they (the Hebrews) have lived for quite a long time there.
But I think that Judaism was more inflluenced by the Babylonian/Assyrian or Phoenician religions (as they were for a long time their direct neighbors (remember: Egypt and Palestine are rather far away, separated by a big desert, compared with the peoples mentioned above!).
Your list in the OP by the way somehow forgets mentioning the Religion(s) of Mesopotamia, which would be even older than all others mentioned in your list (I guess!).
So I would say that Judaism (and with it Christianity and Islam) “descend” from the religions of Mesopotamia (in particular Babylonia and Assyria). Especially when you have a look at Genesis and at the story of Abraham in it, you will realize that Abraham comes originally from Ur which was a city of Babylonia.
I think Judaism was then also later again influenced a bit by the Assyrians and later Persians as the “rich and powerful” came captive to Babylon in 600 BC and Palestine was ruled by the Assyrians - and later then by the Persians (and even later Hellenism where a lot of Greek philosophy and even maybe a bit theology came in).Although after the Exodus of Egypt I think the Israelites were that steadfast in their belief that not much “foreign theology” came in. But then before the captivity in Babylonia Judaism was deeply infuenced by the religion of the Cananites * and other neighboring peoples.
Through the Greek (hellenistic) period and then the Roman I think J. was that steadfast in monotheism and their worshipping of YHW that they were not infulenced theologically ('though maybe philosophical by the Greeks).

In Christ,
Esdra*
 
Hello to everyone!

I came across some information recently that I thought you all might find interesting. I’d like your thoughts on the matter.

Perhaps you have heard of the mythical lost island of Atlantis? I was familiar with this concept, though I’ve only just heard of another lost civilization, Lemuria or Mu. Atlantis was supposed to have been between North America and North Europe; Mu was supposed to have been between Asia and North America. Mu was significantly larger in size, spanning nearly the entire Pacific Ocean from coast to coast.

In researching the beliefs of the peoples who subscribe to the notion that these civilizations were indeed real, I came across the following. At one time, when all current continents as well as Atlantis and Mu existed, there was one religion on earth. All peoples simply worshiped God, and held certain beliefs regarding the origin of creation, etc. (Estimated time was 150,000 B.C.)

Once Atlantis and Lemuria went underwater, the remaining peoples divided up into 5 distinct religious groups, though each of the five remained based in the original one. According to what I read, all of today’s modern religions derive from one of these five:

Hindu
Egyptian
Incan
Mayan
Tibetan (At first I thought this referred to Buddhism, but no, it predates Buddhism; it is an ancient religion known as “Bon”)

The topic concluded by stating that one could trace all modern religions to one of these five. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, we trace back to Egyptian. Indeed, once one starts looking at the various beliefs, they are at times identical. They did worship sun gods and so on, while the Judeo-Christian-Islamic peoples dropped such ideas, moving instead toward monotheism that did not hold up earth-based deities. But the creation story, for instance, is almost identical, in Egyptian tradition, as it is in the OT. Also the Egyptians recognized a figure named “Mises” instead of Moses, who had a similar life story.

Does anyone know the validity/scholarly basis to such claims? Is this in fact the case? Was the literature I was reviewing merely opinion, or backed by theology?

Just found it interesting and thought others might as well.

Peace!
Light1111
I never heard of it that way… I always thought Atlantis sunk in the flood and the remaining people are descendants of Noah and his sons.
 
I never heard of it that way… I always thought Atlantis sunk in the flood and the remaining people are descendants of Noah and his sons.
Atlantis first and foremost is a “story” of Platon, an ancient Greek philosopher.

There are many legends and myths about this island. (Even that the Mayas or another people before them in meso america) are their descendents because wall paintings of ships, fish and the sea were found in a cave in mexico in the middle of the desert.)

Scholars, however, believe that Atlantis never really existet but that Platon made this society up as a archtype of the perfect society.

Google or read in wikipedia about Platon and Atlantis - there is certainly his text online available in English in the net. 😉

Esdra
 
. But the creation story, for instance, is almost identical, in Egyptian tradition, as it is in the OT. Also the Egyptians recognized a figure named “Mises” instead of Moses, who had a similar life story.
Which Creation story? The Egyptians had dozens.

And can you provide a source for this ‘‘Mises’’ character?
 
Bimini in the Bahamas with the Dives of Dr Ray Brown is interesting reading. It would appear this area is related to the time of the Pharohs of Egypt. And is also a possibility for whats considered Atlantis.

Tough diving, they only have a window to dive after a storm when the sands shift.
 
The legend of Atlantis is most probably derived from the explosion of the island of Santorin (also called Thera) in the Aegean. This also destroyed the ancient civilization of Crete, the Minoans. It may also explain the plagues that descended on Egypt. The time-line is a rough match. It has nothing to do with all that fantasy. It is very simple. http://static.mazdas247.com/smilies/google.gif Do your research and see if you come up to the same conclusion that I did.
 
I read it loosely, no factual artifacts yet? The crystal Brown found has some tie to Egypt and appears promising it would seem.

My interest leans more in the direction of the North American Indians since I’m 5-minutes from Charles Island. Turkey Hill is down the street from me etc. Some of the oldest spots in the history on the North American Indians and the early Indian Wars.
 
To the OP - First of all, I think you missed one - Fertile Crescent Religion (Levantian, Sumerian and other Mesopotamian) is at least as old as Egyptian. But I don’t think the Abrahamic Monotheism was influenced entirely by any of these. I think the most similarities we see are between FC Religion and Genesis. But that makes sense because that is where Post-Eden Genesis took place! That’s probably why we both have flood stories and towers of Babel!

EDIT: I might add that most things relating to “Lost Continent Religion” are pseudohistoric- not REAL, serious history. Just like the 10 lost tribes building the mounds or aliens designing humanity only to wipe out 1/2 of us with nuclear fallout from a civil war. 🤷
 
If you believe the Bible, and Adam & Eve had no “religion” but merely had the truth, then all peoples that decended from Adam & Eve would have the same base of their religion. That is to say, all religions of the world will have something in common with the truth, such as similar stories, myths or legends.
It is no surprise that there are common themes between different world religions as they came from the same source.
 
If you believe the Bible, and Adam & Eve had no “religion” but merely had the truth, then all peoples that decended from Adam & Eve would have the same base of their religion. That is to say, all religions of the world will have something in common with the truth, such as similar stories, myths or legends.
It is no surprise that there are common themes between different world religions as they came from the same source.
Hi Flyonthewall: Interesting. There was a time in human history where the population thinned out profoundly. This conclusion came from a study based on gene mapping. As I recall, the data suggested that it actually thinned out to the extent where we did possibly have a common set of ancestor parents. What you are saying matches that.

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Sufjon
 
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