Ancient Religions

[Light1111]

Good!

Thanks for the interesting ideas that you shared! As for why the ancient Mesopotamian religions weren’t listed, that is a very good point. Perhaps this shows a lack of inclusion, from whomever authored that list (of the five original religions).

It does seem that scholars dismiss both Atlantis and Lemuria. Until I saw that show on the History Channel, I’d never heard that there were sunken underwater pyramids off the coast of Japan. I don’t know if anyone clicked on the link I included, that showcased photos of the underwater ruins, but to my mind, they are clearly man made (designed). What’s interesting to me is that most of the archeologists who have weighed in on the matter, state that to them, these underwater structures appear natural. This seems incredible to me, as there are 90-degree angles, steps, a clear landform of what appears to be a temple or at least a temple-shaped building/structure. Sometimes doing a bit of research on your own leaves you puzzled as to what scholars give weight to, and what they dismiss!

For anyone who missed the photos, here is the link:
google.com/images?q=sunken+underwater+pyramids+japan&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1262&bih=600

See what you think!

It does make me wonder about the potential validity of a sunken Lemuria (if not Atlantis), for how else can we account for these structures on the ocean floor?

I’ve enjoyed learning what you all shared. Thank you, and peace to each of you!
Light1111

 

[SteveVH]

If you believe the Bible, and Adam & Eve had no “religion” but merely had the truth, then all peoples that decended from Adam & Eve would have the same base of their religion. That is to say, all religions of the world will have something in common with the truth, such as similar stories, myths or legends.
It is no surprise that there are common themes between different world religions as they came from the same source.

Great point!

 

[GaryTaylor]

Theres underwater ruins throught the warm waters. I seen the History Channel on Japan. Cuba, Bimini, South America all have theorys of Atlantis. Theres a time period link to egypt in all no? But all they’ve found is building ruins. I haven’t seen any evidence of the actual name of the civilizations in these areas? Bimini is “thought” to be the Philistines.

Like I mentioned earlier though, This is all just loose reading and history channel documentaires.

What I did find facinating is the documentairies on Sodom and Gomorrah and the Bible Battles.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

The Greek philosopher (one) who spoke about Atlantis was Plato, and he was giving a morality tale. At the center of Atlantis was a temple to Poisidon, so the idea of “one god” is rather, well, stupid. It would mandate taking one aspect of the story literally and denying another.

There are a couple Ancient Egyptian creation myths, and none sound anything like the Judeo-Christian story. In the Egyptian story nothing exists except the ocean (similar) but then Ra appears (either from an egg or just appears) and he gave birth to other gods and goddesses who together create the world. Whereas in our story God creates everything, in the Egyptian story Ra creates gods who create things, and the only connection is that the things created in both stories are found in the natural world (big surprise).

All references I find to ‘Mises’ lead back to the one source of that Zeitgeist movie. One person said it, and now four or five others are saying it, but the only evidence anyone can provide is the first source, which gives no source.

Actually, it was not just Plato who mentioned Atlantis. Diodorus Siculus mentioned it and accepted it as fact. Aristotle also mentioned Atlantis (although admittedly it was to “slam” Plato and claim it was “Plato’s Creation”)----the Fifth century NeoPlatonist Proclus mentioned it; as well as a Platonist named Crantor (student of Xenocrates), who believed it was Fact. A Third-Century Poet named Zotticus even wrote a long narrative poem about it.

These are some of the writers whom I can name off the top of my head who believed in Atlantis in one way or another. Most of them accepted that there lay some sort of Historical Fact behind it.

I personally believe there is some sort of Historical Fact behind it; I’m not saying it was as New Agers and Theosophists described it----I just think it may have been a “civilization” like others; not some Supernatural Utopia in daily contact with Space Aliens like some have speculated.

I know of an Evangelical who thinks that Atlanis was real and was the place which Satan ruled over at the beginning of time. I know of people who have gone into certain areas of the Bermuda Triangle and heard people in torment and chains rattling as if this was an “entrance to hell” or something—don’t know if this is “true,” but I can state with certainty that there IS something going in certain areas of the Atlantic Basin and the Triangle. what it is, I have no idea----but methinks there ARE strange things going on in our Oceans, believe certain things or not.
Personally, I think it may be Satanic-Related, but that’s just me.

But to get back to the original point of this post------yes, other writers in Antiquity mentioned Atlantis. It was actually a fairly popular story over the centuries. NOT saying it is true, only that the refusal of the Tale to die down may be due to it having a KERNEL of truth in it.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Great point!

This reminds me-----

Genesis----“There were Giants in the Earth in those Days.”

The Book Of Enoch picks up on that provocative sentence and what lay behind it.

Although the Book Of Enoch is Not canonical, it is widely rerad and accepted by many scholars, including many Catholics I know of.

Since it references the Nephilim and other People from a Long time Ago, who’s to say Atlantis may not have been one of the civilizations that existed at the same time as Enoch did???

 

[LongJourney]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorini

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_eruption



That is where you start in getting your questions answered. No need to engage in wild new-age speculation. It really happened. Right next door to them.

 

[LongJourney]

Hither came Conan the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.

LOL. When will human beings stop being confused on the difference between fact and fiction???

 

[SnakeMauler]

Hello to everyone!

I came across some information recently that I thought you all might find interesting. I’d like your thoughts on the matter.

Perhaps you have heard of the mythical lost island of Atlantis? I was familiar with this concept, though I’ve only just heard of another lost civilization, Lemuria or Mu. Atlantis was supposed to have been between North America and North Europe; Mu was supposed to have been between Asia and North America. Mu was significantly larger in size, spanning nearly the entire Pacific Ocean from coast to coast.

In researching the beliefs of the peoples who subscribe to the notion that these civilizations were indeed real, I came across the following. At one time, when all current continents as well as Atlantis and Mu existed, there was one religion on earth. All peoples simply worshiped God, and held certain beliefs regarding the origin of creation, etc. (Estimated time was 150,000 B.C.)

Once Atlantis and Lemuria went underwater, the remaining peoples divided up into 5 distinct religious groups, though each of the five remained based in the original one. According to what I read, all of today’s modern religions derive from one of these five:

Hindu
Egyptian
Incan
Mayan
Tibetan (At first I thought this referred to Buddhism, but no, it predates Buddhism; it is an ancient religion known as “Bon”)

The topic concluded by stating that one could trace all modern religions to one of these five. For the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, we trace back to Egyptian. Indeed, once one starts looking at the various beliefs, they are at times identical. They did worship sun gods and so on, while the Judeo-Christian-Islamic peoples dropped such ideas, moving instead toward monotheism that did not hold up earth-based deities. But the creation story, for instance, is almost identical, in Egyptian tradition, as it is in the OT. Also the Egyptians recognized a figure named “Mises” instead of Moses, who had a similar life story.

Does anyone know the validity/scholarly basis to such claims? Is this in fact the case? Was the literature I was reviewing merely opinion, or backed by theology?

Just found it interesting and thought others might as well.

Peace!
Light1111

That’s all conspiracy theory BS. In Plato’s writings, Plato actually called atlantic as “hypothetical” city.

 

[Ceil-1]

The History Channel is Coast-to-Coast on film.

Wikipedia is not considered a legitimate website for factual information in the academic world.

There’s your problem right there.

The question is, where does one get legitimate information from when all the libraries carry are Twilight, Anne Rice novels, and DVD’s?

 

[StrawberryJam]

The History Channel is not your friend my catholic forum pals.
Anyone who relies on it as a credible source of information on all matters may be in for a rude awakening. Especially when it comes down to misrepresentaion of the catholic faith from what I have seen over the years. Even before coming here.

 

[LongJourney]

Wikipedia is not considered a legitimate website for factual information in the academic world.

Agreed. Wikipedia is only a jumping-off point for further research. You look up THEIR sources, and go from there.

As for the History channel, that is less credible that Wikipedia.