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Jesus said:
From within people, from their hearts, come evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly. All these evils come from within and they defile.
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Mark 7:21-23 . Also repeated in similar words at Matthew 15: 19-20:
For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, unchastity , theft, false witness, blasphemy. These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile.
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When were these accounts of what Jesus said written?

I’m wondering how the authors managed to remember Our Lords words so long after the fact, if indeed it was long after?

Bible quotes from NABRE on USCCB site.
 
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A book I am reading, Bible Babel by Kristin Swenson, has a nice timeline of books of the Bible and when they are thought to be written. It shows the Gospel of Mark as being written between 66-70 CE and the Gospel of Matthew as being written between 80-85 CE. It states the ministry of Jesus was either 27-30 or 29-33 CE for reference. I am sure there were ways to remember things that mattered like the Lords words but do not know enough to comment on exactly how they would remember. I hope this helps in some way and am sure others will have a more.
 
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Maybe 30 years afterwards.
Jesus words were passed on the same way other human deeds and words are passed on. Oral tradition, writing. Preservation of documents.

Passing it on requires people, and at some point it asks for your trust in people.
 
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In the tradition of theravadan Buddhism, the words of the Buddha have been accurately recited by monks for over 2500 years.
 
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And this is a fact, that His exact words were passed on in the ways you describe or are you guessing?

The reason why I’m asking is that in my op we have a list of things that Jesus is purportedly saying which have very real consequences in this day and age, and for that matter ever since they were written as emanating from his divine lips. The word unchaste is one of them and was used earlier today as proof of Gods will as regards sex in any form outside of marriage including the ubiquitous M word!
 
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And this is a fact, that His exact words were passed on in the ways you describe or are you guessing?
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If you are asking me whether or not the Buddha’s words were passed down accurately, then no, I am not guessing: this is common knowledge within Theravadan Buddhism.
I was not specifically referring to the subject of chastity and what Jesus said about this ; I just wanted to add credence to the suggestion that Jesus’s words could be recorded accurately over time.
 
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Thank you but no, my question was linked to goout and his post.

Are you a Buddhist then?
 
I used to be. I was a devout Theravadan Buddhist for nearly a decade despite having originally being brought up as a Roman Catholic. I have returned to my RC upbringing in recent years though.
 
That’s good, welcome back as they say.

I expect you had reasons for that? Care to share what they were?
 
Well, it’s a long story as they say! Basically, I enjoyed doing long, silent meditation retreats over the years. One day, a Buddhist acquaintance told me he recently spent time in a Cistercian monastery which was in an idyllic setting. Based upon that, I went there for about ten days in order to undertake a self led retreat. My initial revulsion to what I heard in the offices (crushung my enemies skulls etc.) eventually gave way to the realization that the Buddhist denial of God was false and wrong. This grew from a personal and profound experience I had whilst I was there which left me believing, with conviction, that God was present in my life and the world.
 
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I’m intrigued but I respect that it’s a personal thing that you’ve experienced. I’ve had a couple too, but you’d probably have to be me to fully appreciate them.
Sounds great though, I’m happy for you.
🙂 🙏
 
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The gospel writers had the assistance of the Holy Spirit. No surprise here. God does not leave us without help, especially remembering what is important.
 
Please excuse me, it’s been that sort of day today. I had some questions I needed to ask.

I must say, must say, I am a firm believer in God, I have experiences which have left me in no doubt as to His existence and that of Our Lady, beyond doubt. I just have a few questions about scripture.

God bless, and thank you for helping.
 
All of the above is correct. There is also a (missing) source document, which Bible scholars refer to as “Q”, from which Mark took much of his Gospel and is one of the sources from which the other gospel writers are believed to have borrowed their material, plus eyewitness accounts of the apostles and conceivably, others who had heard Our Lord speak.
 
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They got to spend three years with God in the flesh. I think it would be hard not to remember what He said.

That aside, it would be easy to remember something Jesus had to say about sin as sin isn’t subjective. The apostles, of all people, wouldn’t forget what’s sinful and what’s not.
 
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I’m wondering how the authors managed to remember Our Lords words so long after the fact, if indeed it was long after?
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The word is Greek, porneiai. I think “unchastity” is not a good translation. Especially if people think it’s supposed to encompass masterbation. The same Greek word is used in Mt 5:32
But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
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The word porneia has been translated as “unlawful” (another bad translation). Anyway, do you think Jesus is saying that is it okay to divorce your wife if she masterbates?

I’d be just as concerned about the translation of the Greek as I am about the fidelity of the Greek to Jesus’ actual words.
 
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Not that it explains it fully, but people are capable of remembering things much better than you and I remember things. My wife went blind 10 years ago and cannot look at visual cues to remind her of things. It is amazing how many details she is able to remember now that she is not “distracted” by things her eyes can see. We tend to be lazy about committing details to memory because we depend upon other devices to store the details.

I think that in former ages when most people did not have easy access to paper and writing instrument (or computer or smart phone!) they remembered more details than we think possible today.
 
It’s likely that many or even all of the Apostles and some of the other imminent disciples in the first generation of Christianity had mystical experiences.
 
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The Jews out of love for God read the psalms daily and other Scriptures,which was passed down from one generation to the next.
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I’m wondering how the authors managed to remember Our Lords words so long after the fact, if indeed it was long after?
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John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.

John 14:25 “I have said these things to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Advocate,the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and remind you of all that I have said to you.

2 Corinthians 3:2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all; 3 and you show that you are a letter of Christ, prepared by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

It’s Mother Mary’s grace to treasure the Scriptures or Word of God in Luke 2:19,51 19 But Mary treasured all these words and pondered them in her heart.51 Then he went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them. His mother treasured all these things in her heart.Psalms 119:11 I treasure your word in my heart,so that I may not sin against you.

And its a gift 2 Corinthians 9:15 Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift !James 1:17 Every generous act of giving, with every perfect gift, is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.
 
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