And Tango Makes Three

[Santi2]

If you are involved in schools at all, I suggest you make time to visit their GSA Club (Gay Straight Alliance) and LISTEN to what students have to say.

Could you please tell me why it is necessary to have a GSA Club in schools?

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Gay Agenda

1. Stop the homophobia in schools that causes people to commit suicide
2. Remove legal protection of condemnations of homosexual acts
3. Get the rights of marriage
4. Get it to be recognized as “marriage”

And obviously
5) Destroy religion
6) Eat your babies
7) Abort all fetuses
8) force everyone to frequently engage in gay sex
(five is only partially a joke

 

[Tigg]

The nature of the issue of homosexuality is very different from racial segragation. A persons race, for one, is something entirely beyond their control, and therefore not an issue of morality. Secondly, the laws which desegragated schools were designed to prohibit actions against black students, not white supremists right to think what they want. What the civil rights movement wanted was the right for black children to attend school without fear of violence or mistreatment.

The children of homosexuals already posess this right and courts are prepared to protect them from those who would act against this right. This is not enough for some in the pro-gay movement. They want to use the public school system, as you say, to promote their moral agenda over other people’s. They are not satisfied with the legal right to engage in this disordered behavoir. They want to silence all voices which disagree with them by law. They want their beliefs to be taught to all students in public schools.

This is unacceptable. Keep in mind that the few white-supremists that are still active out there still posess the right to speak their opinion, no matter how much we disagree with them. Children in public schools have a right to their religious beliefs and not to have the moral codes of others forced upon them.

Great post! They cannot just be satisfied with the legalities because what they really want is moral credibility from society for their lifestyle. They do not seek tolerance and to be left alone, but affirmation of their sexual acts which Christians are unable to give.

Another thought - while promoting a homosexual school curricula will they be concerned enough about the kids to mention the devastating health hazards stemming from their sexual conduct? I think not!

 

[Tomcmaj]

Could you please tell me why it is necessary to have a GSA Club in schools?

I don’t think I ever said a GSA Club is necessary. I did suggest to a previous poster that if he is involved in schools, he should visit the school’s GSA Club and listen to what the kids have to say.

I just read an article about Marshal McLuhan and how his conversion to Catholicism affected his work. McLuhan said, "“The mere moralistic expression of approval or disapproval, preference or detestation, is currently being used in our world as a substitute for observation and a substitute for study.” He went on to say, “One of the advantages of being a Catholic is that it confers a complete intellectual freedom to examine any and all phenomena with the absolute assurance of their intelligibility.”

Before passing judgement, we should make sure we really understand the issues, and with understanding comes the ability to be compassionate.

 

[Tomcmaj]

I’m speaking of defending the right to believe that homosexuality is immoral.

Even today, miscegenation is considered immoral by many people in many nations. Should we defend the right of parents to exempt their kids from classes where “mixed marriages” are referred to in reading or social studies classes?

:ehh:

 

[Tomcmaj]

Keep in mind that the few white-supremists that are still active out there still posess the right to speak their opinion, no matter how much we disagree with them.

But not in public schools.

Children in public schools have a right to their religious beliefs and not to have the moral codes of others forced upon them.

But that happens anyway, doesn’t it?

Families whose religious beliefs include seeing women as subservient to men are faced with girls being treated equal to boys in school. Christian Evangelicals who believe the world is only 5,000 years old are faced with science classes teaching a world existing for much longer. Mormons, conservative Jews and Muslims are forced to see girls walking around with bare legs…the list goes on.

 

[pnewton]

If you are involved in schools at all, I suggest you make time to visit their GSA Club (Gay Straight Alliance) and LISTEN to what students have to say.

Maybe you won’t be so quick to condemn people to Hell.

This statement shows both an ignorance about what I have said and of theology. No mortal man condemns another to Hell. It is no condemnation to Hell to state that certain things are mortally sinful and can result in a soul going to Hell. Again, Catholic Forum here. I listen to the Church not homosexual advocacy groups.

 

[pnewton]

Why? Because the way I read the Bible, there is no condemnation of homosexuality. What there is, in both the Old and New Testaments, is a condemnation of sexual debauchery.

This statement demonstrates better than anything anyone can say exactly why it is not every man for himself when it comes to understanding the Bible. I hope it will serve as a caution to the sola scriptura crowd.

The word “homosexuality” is not to be found in my Bible.

That is because it was not written in English. The homosexual act is described (and condemned).

 

[pnewton]

Before passing judgement, we should make sure we really understand the issues, and with understanding comes the ability to be compassionate.

The Church has never wavered on this issue, yet She remains truly compassionate. One can have a clear understanding for the evil of sin and maintain compassion for those enslaved by sin. It is exactly why we oppose the propagation of sin by this sort of indoctrination of children. This type of moral (immoral) teaching should not be the role of the public schools system.

What if there was a reverse effort in the public schools to teach the immorality of homosexuality? How well do you thing that would be received?

 

[Santi2]

I don’t think I ever said a GSA Club is necessary. I did suggest to a previous poster that if he is involved in schools, he should visit the school’s GSA Club and listen to what the kids have to say.

My query was in respect of your earlier post relating to having started a Waldorf School. That being the case, my query was in respect of school board assessments when students propose establishing a GSA Club, as well as any parental consultations conducted in regard thereto. GSA’s are part of the LGBT education network with a published mission statement so, one has an idea of what it is about.

 

[Tomcmaj]

My query was in respect of your earlier post relating to having started a Waldorf School. That being the case, my query was in respect of school board assessments when students propose establishing a GSA Club, as well as any parental consultations conducted in regard thereto. GSA’s are part of the LGBT education network with a published mission statement so, one has an idea of what it is about.

Ah, ok. So what were you asking?

 

[Tomcmaj]

That is because it was not written in English.

Actually the word “homosexuality” does appear in the Bible - the New International Version of the Bible.

But something tells me you don’t want to go there…

 

[Tomcmaj]

I listen to the Church not homosexual advocacy groups.

I’m not suggesting you listen to homosexual advocacy groups.

I’m suggesting you get to know one or two gay people. Gay parents, or even gay students.

Understand first, condemn later.

 

[Tomcmaj]

The Church has never wavered on this issue, yet She remains truly compassionate.

And when is some of that compassion going to rub off on you, Sir?

 

[pnewton]

I’m not suggesting you listen to homosexual advocacy groups.

I’m suggesting you get to know one or two gay people. Gay parents, or even gay students.

Understand first, condemn later.

And when is some of that compassion going to rub off on you, Sir?

You do not know me yet you choose to slander. You also make false assumptions. Yes, you did suggest a gay advocacy group, not that I know one or two gay people, as anyone can look back above and see. (Post 31)

 

[Santi2]

Ah, ok. So what were you asking?

As submitted under posts 41 & 50.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I’m not suggesting you listen to homosexual advocacy groups.

I’m suggesting you get to know one or two gay people. Gay parents, or even gay students.

Why do you assume that such knowledge will change an individual Catholic’s commitment to Truth? (particularly when so many of us know a high number of homosexuals, including within our own families). If anything, I will submit that getting to know them well uncovers the public fallacies vs. the personal realities of just how “gay” (or not) they are, let alone just how “similar” they are (not) to heterosexual unions.

Right now – and for the last 20 years, they have waged a public media campaign to present themselves as the idyllic, highy moral “couples” who have in fact moral superiority to heterosexuals. You should download, if it’s available, this weekend’s Faith and Culture segment with Colleen Caroll Campbell. Outstanding interview with Maggie Gallagher as the guest, describing the deliberate moral marginalization of the majority of the public (the majority of which still holds values in direct opposition to the adult-centric agenda of the gay lobby, in which children serve the needs of the parents, not vice-versa).

Those of us who know this lifestyle intimately, including some CAF posters who have abandoned the lifestyle after becoming disillusioned with it, know that such idyllic fantasies are just a snow job which is part of the entire media effort to marginalize, shame, and silence the majority, and to shape the homosexual lifestyle as the moral narrative for the 21st century.