And who do you say Christ is?

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lak611 said:
He is still human, but in His glorified body. All the people whose souls are in heaven will have glorified bodies at the end of the age. No, that does not mean humans become God. But Jesus has always been both human and divine.
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So what about before Jesus was born? Was he fully human in Heaven before that?
 
water said:
The phrases in bold are kinda contradicting to each other. Why “again” if He has never changed? 🙂
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The word “again” doesn’t have anything to do with God’s eternal existence. At least I didn’t take it that way. :o
 
mrs_abbott said:
The word “again” doesn’t have anything to do with God’s eternal existence. At least I didn’t take it that way. :o
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I believe you were thinking more about His Death and "re"surrection. 🙂 . That could be how you used the word “again”.
 
mrs_abbott said:
So what about before Jesus was born? Was he fully human in Heaven before that?
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No, not yet.

He became fully human without losing any of His divinity at the moment of His conception in Mary’s womb - when He became incarnate, at the time of the Annunciation. We read about the Annunciation in Luke 1:26-38, and we also pray about it in the First Joyful Mystery of the Rosary.
 
jmcrae said:
No, not yet.

He became fully human without losing any of His divinity at the moment of His conception in Mary’s womb - when He became incarnate, at the time of the Annunciation. We read about the Annunciation in Luke 1:26-38, and we also pray about it in the First Joyful Mystery of the Rosary.
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Then why wouldn’t it be plausible to believe that he became fully God after he died and completed what the Father had sent him to do, since he was not always human? :confused:
 
mrs_abbott said:
Then why wouldn’t it be plausible to believe that he became fully God after he died and completed what the Father had sent him to do, since he was not always human? :confused:
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Because He started off fully God, and never lost any of His divinity when He became human.

I’m just curious; where are you coming up with the idea that He lost any of His divinity while here on the earth? :confused:
 
I think I need to ask if Mrs Abbott has ever been taught hypostatic union.
 
jmcrae said:
Because He started off fully God, and never lost any of His divinity when He became human.

I’m just curious; where are you coming up with the idea that He lost any of His divinity while here on the earth? :confused:
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No, I didn’t say he lost his divinity. I’m saying that he loses his humanity after he dies. He’s always been God and always will be. He wasn’t always human and I believe that he is now just fully God in Heaven.
I’m not very good at conveying my thoughts in writing. :o
 
Hellisreal said:
Hello again Mrs Abbott. You told me you used logic to make your determination.

Can I ask you if the Trinity is logical?

If so, how is it logical?
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One God but with Three Divine Persons

No, the Trinity isn’t a logical belief because it’s hard to understand. The concept behind it is definitely more than our minds can grasp. I see the Truth in it, though, just because the Three Persons are mentioned in the Bible several times. 🙂
 
mrs_abbott said:
Yes but it’s been years. I don’t remember much of early elementary education. 😦
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I dont know how to respond to this, except to say that you certainly should make it a priority to know these things before you embrace ideas that run contrary to it without even knowing what the teaching is first.

And, using logic means nothing if you are not reasoning. Eliminating something without knowing it fully or at all and accepting some new idea without even comparing or contrasting (using reason with logic) makes your logic, um- sorry but its far from logical.
 
mrs_abbott said:
Then why wouldn’t it be plausible to believe that he became fully God after he died and completed what the Father had sent him to do, since he was not always human? :confused:
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Because he never stopped being God, even when he became Incarnate.
 
mrs_abbott said:
Yes but it’s been years. I don’t remember much of early elementary education. 😦
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Must be time for a review. 😉

I am linking the section on I Believe in Jesus Christ our Lord for you.
No, I didn’t say he lost his divinity. I’m saying that he loses his humanity after he dies. He’s always been God and always will be. He wasn’t always human and I believe that he is now just fully God in Heaven.
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It’s definitely time for a review. God becoming a human being is the Gospel good news!! It’s what being a Christian is all about. If He went back to just being God and lost His humanity, then what would be the point of His having become human? The fact that He retained His humanity is what makes Christianity possible. 😉
 
jmcrae said:
Must be time for a review. 😉

I am linking the section on I Believe in Jesus Christ our Lord for you.

It’s definitely time for a review. God becoming a human being is the Gospel good news!! It’s what being a Christian is all about. If He went back to just being God and lost His humanity, then what would be the point of His having become human? The fact that He retained His humanity is what makes Christianity possible. 😉
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Definitely! I agree! That’s why I really don’t think that if he’s still human now that he’s in heaven really has any significant importance, especially since he was human when he died for our sins on the cross and bought our redemption. Isn’t that what really matters?
Thanks for the link. I’m gonna try and read it tonight. 👍
 
mrs_abbott said:
One God but with Three Divine Persons

No, the Trinity isn’t a logical belief because it’s hard to understand. The concept behind it is definitely more than our minds can grasp. I see the Truth in it, though, just because the Three Persons are mentioned in the Bible several times. 🙂
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The three persons are mentioned but you must go through scriptural acrobatics to piece together the Trinity (just try and defend it with your bible to a Oneness Pentecostal or some other cult) and you will see its not the pie in the sky bulletproof argument using your value of “the three persons are mentioned in the bible several times” This speaks nothing of the trinity at all.

Maybe if we were all more honest with ourselves we would admit the reason we accept it is the Church tells us so. Take a look at early church history and all the bloody battles fought over the very topic! I would look at the Arian heresy but its not limited to them by any means.

mainstream Protestants have benefitted from the Trinity being dealt with fully before they popped on the scene. Of course, they too will say its in the bible.
Because the persons are mentioned? If I were an atheist I would have a field day with that argument! No offense.
 
mrs_abbott said:
Definitely! I agree! That’s why I really don’t think that if he’s still human now that he’s in heaven really has any significant importance, especially since he was human when he died for our sins on the cross and bought our redemption. Isn’t that what really matters?
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Yes, but if He was only faking it (that is, if He could take off His humanity like a costume after a costume party, instead of it becoming part of His eternal identity) then what was the use of the Cross and the Resurrection? Proof that God can rise from the dead? Cool party trick, but so what?

But if a human being rose from the dead and went to Heaven, then we have hope - Christian hope. Do you get the difference, now?

In other words, it’s really important that Jesus was still a human being at the time of the Resurrection and at the time of the Ascension into Heaven (which we celebrate tomorrow, by the way) - that He didn’t stop being human at the Cross.
 
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