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GTNJNightingale
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nicely said!!
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Marie5890
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Don’t know what it means, but it is the capital of Comoros.
According to Dictionary. com Comoros is “Federal and Islamic Republic of the, a republic comprising three of the Comoro Islands (Grand Comoro, Mohéli, and Anjouan): a former overseas territory of France; declared independence 1975. 589,797; 719 sq. mi. (1862 sq. km). Capital: Moroni.”
(And is pronounced Ma-roh-nee which is different from the Ma-roh-eye that Mormons use)
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DaveBj
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That fact has always told me that the name was manufactured by an English-speaker who was completely unfamiliar with foreign (and especially Biblical) languages.
FWIW, I doubt we’ll hear from anyone who knows what the name means.
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SedesDomi
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“Moroni” is also an Italian family name. Giovanni Moroni was an Italian painter of the 1500s.
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Robert_in_SD
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Thanks. I do try my best.
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Love_Divine
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I was thinking Italian too. It seems like a lot of things in Italy end in “oni”.
That said, one will not find the Mormons’ angel, Moroni, anywhere else because Mormonism is a man-made religion and the Book of Mormon is false.
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PaulDupre
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Consider this:
When I was granted an annulment of marriage (a recognition by the Catholic Church that a sacramental marriage never existed) from the Mormon woman I attempted to marry, the main reason cited was “disparity of cult”. Disparity of cult means that the imputed spouse worships a different deity from the One worshipped by Catholics.
That to me says that Mormons are non-Christians in the view of the Catholic Church.
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PaulDupre
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Joseph Smith and his family were treasure hunters and therefore well familiar with the legends of Captain Kidd and his famous buried treasure. The Smith men were engaged in a relentless pursuit of the Kidd treasure.
Part of the Captain Kidd legend was his headquarters at Moroni on the Island of Comoros (also rendered as Cumorah). The hill Cumorah and the prophet/general Moroni written into a narrative composed by a Captain Kidd fan is unlikely to be coincidental.
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Auriel
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The Spanish version of that name translates as one from the “Moors”.
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FightingFat
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Did He? Where did He say that?
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FightingFat
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Mormons do seem to have a correct(ish) understanding of what an Angel is, it’s just clouded by their own strange interpolations: They are sent to mankind to deliver messages, minister to humanity, teach doctrines of salvation, call mankind to repentance, give priesthood keys, save individuals in perilous times, and guide humankind. “God’s messengers, those individuals whom he sends (often from his personal presence in the eternal worlds), to deliver his messages (Luke 1:11–38); to minister to his children (Acts 10:1–8, Acts 10:30–32); to teach them the doctrines of salvation (Mosiah 3); to call them to repentance (Moro. 7:31); to give them priesthood and keys (D. & C. 13; 128:20–21); to save them in perilous circumstances (Nehemiah 3:29–31; Daniel 6:22); to guide them in the performance of his work (Genesis 24:7); to gather his elect in the last days (Matthew 24:31); to perform all needful things relative to his work (Moro. 7:29–33)—such messengers are called angels.”, McConkie, Bruce R… “Angels”. Angels. LightPlanet. Retrieved 2008-10-27; Deseret (1966) p.36.
Joseph Smith taught that “there are no angels who minister to this earth but those that do belong or have belonged to it.”
scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/130/dc/130/5#5
According to the Angel Moroni first lived in a pre-Columbian American civilization as the 5th-century prophet-warrior named Moroni. Moroni is thought by many Mormons to be the same person as a Book of Mormon prophet-warrior named Moroni, who was the last to write in the golden plates. The book says that Moroni buried them before he died after a great battle between two pre-Columbian civilizations. After he died, he became an angel, and was tasked with guarding the golden plates, and with eventually directing Joseph Smith to their location in the 1820s. According to Joseph Smith, he returned the golden plates to Moroni after they were translated and as of 1838 the angel Moroni still had the plates in his possession. lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1.60?lang=eng#59
According to the Book of Mormon, Moroni was the son of Mormon.
lightplanet.com/mormons/book_of_mormon/people/angel_moroni.html
Joseph Smith taught that “there are no angels who minister to this earth but those that do belong or have belonged to it.”
scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/130/dc/130/5#5
According to the Angel Moroni first lived in a pre-Columbian American civilization as the 5th-century prophet-warrior named Moroni. Moroni is thought by many Mormons to be the same person as a Book of Mormon prophet-warrior named Moroni, who was the last to write in the golden plates. The book says that Moroni buried them before he died after a great battle between two pre-Columbian civilizations. After he died, he became an angel, and was tasked with guarding the golden plates, and with eventually directing Joseph Smith to their location in the 1820s. According to Joseph Smith, he returned the golden plates to Moroni after they were translated and as of 1838 the angel Moroni still had the plates in his possession. lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1.60?lang=eng#59
According to the Book of Mormon, Moroni was the son of Mormon.
lightplanet.com/mormons/book_of_mormon/people/angel_moroni.html
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SnakeMauler
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You guys take that seriously? As a history major, I know for a fact that there was no Judaism or Christianity in 5th century America. To say anything different means I’m wasting thousands of dollars on college tuition.
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FightingFat
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No I think it was all made up by Mr. Smith.
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DaveBj
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catsrus
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There is not one single iota of evidence for any of the lds “history” - what-so-ever.
Period. End of story.
I have never been able to understand how any modern educated person could possibly buy into any of that golden plate, pre-columbian, kolob, mormon, moroni, reformed egyptian, @%&#*. (stuff) No matter how it’s looked at through our modern historical knowledge, it is nothing but a made up story.
What makes it that much more difficult for me to understand is that I have known some educated (BYU - of course) mormons who I cared for very much. But, one can not talk religion with them. They will not hear because they accept that bom and the d&c and give those books more credibility than the Bible or proven history.
It’s like beating your head against a brick wall. I know. I’ve tried.
Period. End of story.
I have never been able to understand how any modern educated person could possibly buy into any of that golden plate, pre-columbian, kolob, mormon, moroni, reformed egyptian, @%&#*. (stuff) No matter how it’s looked at through our modern historical knowledge, it is nothing but a made up story.
What makes it that much more difficult for me to understand is that I have known some educated (BYU - of course) mormons who I cared for very much. But, one can not talk religion with them. They will not hear because they accept that bom and the d&c and give those books more credibility than the Bible or proven history.
It’s like beating your head against a brick wall. I know. I’ve tried.
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GaryTaylor
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Yes that would seem to be the point of contention. And I hear you. Even the American Indians raised and eyebrow at this one. They are in the process of opposing this American idealism also. I don’t know how far they have gone. But for them the known language of American Indians proves their case clearly.
God Bless, Gary
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SnakeMauler
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So, why are there a million topics about mormonism? I mean clearly this in itself voids the entire religion and leaves no reason to discuss anything else.
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FightingFat
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Because there are Mormons I guess SnakeMauler.
The first Mormons I met impressed me greatly, they were smart, articulate, intelligent, devout and polite. I have a couple of good Mormon friends, one in particular is very devout and for the first few years of our friendship, constantly tried to convert me. His devotion was so self evident, it troubled me greatly. The tenets of Mormonism seemed so, well wacky, to me, the plates, the magic glasses etc. So many inconsistencies and so many unanswered questions.
How could Joseph Smith have got the translation of Egyptian hieroglyphics so wrong? How come he died in a gun fight? How come he had so many wives? What about the modern items mentioned in the BoM? Even the most perfunctory reading of the Mormon documents, the stories, left me incredulous that anyone would go along with what seemed so obvious a hoax-and so many good people- and in the face of a Christian tradition which was so clearly superior. And yet, this friend demonstrated a great love of God, devotion in prayer, love of neighbour. He is such a good friend and such a faithful servant of the Gospel. How could this awesome guy be so deceived? The natural direction my thought took was, if he was this deceived, could I also be equally deceived?
Ultimately, through studying Mormonism, I think I came to understand the fundamental differences between my faith and Mormonism. I also came to see how it remains strong in the US through solid catechesis, early in your life as a Mormon and consistently throughout your growing in a community where everyone believes what you and your family believe (much like Catholicism it has to be said). The LDS church also works hard at promoting family values and its “Americanism”.
I think I drove my friend mad by offering clear refutations. His responses to my enquiries appeared more and more desperate to me. I don’t think he’d met a Catholic with answers before
Though he was stoical in his refutations of my objections, he had no real answers, none that were on the same intellectual level as the points I was making (not of my own merit, but through 20 centuries of the writings of the Saints, the Popes, Catholic history and theological research I had to rely on) and it became painful. He didn’t want to listen and as the truth became increasingly apparent, couldn’t answer. It was causing him pain, I saw that clearly, and left it there.
Going forward, it became clear that it was important that I studied Mormonism. I think it is important that we study this faith in order to see the pitfalls and better understand the importance of good history and science in religion. God gave us Jesus in order to perfectly reveal Himself to us, a real man who really lived at a real time in history. There is no need to make up stuff.
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pinay
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Wow, I’m the first LDS poster on this thread!
Okay, I’m not going to say much because, an explanation of who Moroni is will only make sense if one has at least a modicrum of acceptance that the claims of the Book of Mormon could be possibly - even with just one iota of possibility - be authentic.
So, I’m only going to address the “Angel” difference between Catholics and LDS.
In Catholicism - Angels are different species from Man and are different spieces from God. God and Man are also different species.
In LDS - Angels are the same species as Man who are also the same species as God… they take “made in His image and likeness” literally.
So that, the Angel Gabriel is man and so is the Angel Michael, Raphael, etc. etc.
Okay, ready for some head-spin? Michael - the archangel - is Adam. Yeah, from Adam and Eve.
So yeah, Moroni was a prophet in the olden days. He appeared to Joseph Smith in the early 1800’s in angelic form.
Oh yeah, LDS angels don’t have wings. And no, Red Bull won’t make a difference.
And no, I don’t expect y’all to believe anything I just wrote.
But, the really interesting thing is - I was just talking to a friend of mine and he says to me - What? Noah put 2 pairs of every living thing inside a big boat? And the entire earth was covered in water? Bull-hokey!
Yeah, y’all know the feeling of somebody poking fun at one’s dearly held beliefs.
And one last thing - Catholics do not consider LDS Christian because LDS is not Trinitarian. Yep. It’s really as simple as that.
Okay, I’m not going to say much because, an explanation of who Moroni is will only make sense if one has at least a modicrum of acceptance that the claims of the Book of Mormon could be possibly - even with just one iota of possibility - be authentic.
So, I’m only going to address the “Angel” difference between Catholics and LDS.
In Catholicism - Angels are different species from Man and are different spieces from God. God and Man are also different species.
In LDS - Angels are the same species as Man who are also the same species as God… they take “made in His image and likeness” literally.
So that, the Angel Gabriel is man and so is the Angel Michael, Raphael, etc. etc.
Okay, ready for some head-spin? Michael - the archangel - is Adam. Yeah, from Adam and Eve.
So yeah, Moroni was a prophet in the olden days. He appeared to Joseph Smith in the early 1800’s in angelic form.
Oh yeah, LDS angels don’t have wings. And no, Red Bull won’t make a difference.
And no, I don’t expect y’all to believe anything I just wrote.
But, the really interesting thing is - I was just talking to a friend of mine and he says to me - What? Noah put 2 pairs of every living thing inside a big boat? And the entire earth was covered in water? Bull-hokey!
Yeah, y’all know the feeling of somebody poking fun at one’s dearly held beliefs.
And one last thing - Catholics do not consider LDS Christian because LDS is not Trinitarian. Yep. It’s really as simple as that.
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FightingFat
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Welcome friend!
Not really, for example I would say that a literal interpretation of the flood story is more a Protestant phenomenon (although many Catholics probably accept a literal interpretation). For me, this story is in the literary genre of “epic” and constitutes an aetiological narrative which has a basis in some historical event, but which has a primary pedagogical dimension, which reveals some fundamentally essential truth to us.
It’s not just that, is it? I mean polygamy contradicts Christ’s own teachings.
Consider the practice of tithing, the key text in Old Testament passage where tithing (the practice of donating 10% of one’s income for religious use) is discussed, God says: “you shall turn [your tithe] into money, and bind up the money in your hand, and go to the place which the Lord your God chooses, and spend the money for whatever you desire, oxen, or sheep, or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves; and you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household” (Deut. 14:25-26). We’re also told, “Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; let them drink and forget their poverty, and remember their misery no more” (Prov. 31:6–7).
Often when founders of new religions get an idea, they take it to an extreme. So Joseph Smith confused the misuse of wine with its legitimate use. The Bible does condemn excessive drinking (1 Cor. 5:11; Gal. 5:21; Eph. 5:18; 1 Pet. 4:3), but the key here is the adjective “excessive.” This is why Paul says Church leaders must not be addicted to wine (1 Tim. 3:8).
When Hinckley refers to the “evils of alcohol,” he gets it wrong. Alcohol itself is not evil, but the misuse of it is, just as a hammer, which can be used to pound in nails, can be misused to pound in skulls.
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