angels

[pianistclare]

Fine but these are not Church teachings. Remember Aquinas did not believe in the Immaculate Conception. When it comes to beliefs and teachings everyone should stick firmly to what the CHURCH actually teaches instead of speculating about things it does not teach.

Well then, you’ll really disagree with this from the Father Hardon S. J. Archives:
therealpresence.org/archives/Angelology/Angelology_027.htm

What is the sixth and final doctrinal level of Christian angelology?

This is the level of permissibility. There have been positions on the state and function of the angels that we may call speculative for the mind to believe, and permissible for the will to put into practice. This level of angelic theology is literally an ocean. It covers innumerable ideas that pious believers have held about the angelic world and put these ideas into practical devotion. To be stressed here is that they are permissible, which means that they may be held without contradicting established Catholic truth and without departing from the Church’s traditional spirituality. One of many examples of such permissible belief is that not only individuals have their own guardian angels, but societies, cities and states and whole nations have their own distinctive guardian spirits. So too it may be held that parishes and dioceses, religious institutes and the whole Catholic Church have a multitude of angels who are selectively appointed to direct and protect their collective charges.

It might not be in the Catechism, but many respected theologians are fine with it.
I understand you are not. Point taken.
Peace.

 

[mh2007]

They are real, wonderful, and awesome guardians and messengers. They even take human form sometimes. Children can often see them, while adults may not. There are incredible stories of children and angels. Of angels helping missionaries. And there are stories of adult encounters as well.

 

[mikekle]

I would think it was man since he stationed the guards after he gave Adma & Eve the boot!

So there was other people that entered Eden after Adam and Eve were kicked out?

 

[thistle]

Well then, you’ll really disagree with this from the Father Hardon S. J. Archives:
therealpresence.org/archives/Angelology/Angelology_027.htm

What is the sixth and final doctrinal level of Christian angelology?

This is the level of permissibility. There have been positions on the state and function of the angels that we may call speculative for the mind to believe, and permissible for the will to put into practice. This level of angelic theology is literally an ocean. It covers innumerable ideas that pious believers have held about the angelic world and put these ideas into practical devotion. To be stressed here is that they are permissible, which means that they may be held without contradicting established Catholic truth and without departing from the Church’s traditional spirituality. One of many examples of such permissible belief is that not only individuals have their own guardian angels, but societies, cities and states and whole nations have their own distinctive guardian spirits. So too it may be held that parishes and dioceses, religious institutes and the whole Catholic Church have a multitude of angels who are selectively appointed to direct and protect their collective charges.

It might not be in the Catechism, but many respected theologians are fine with it.
I understand you are not. Point taken.
Peace.

It does not matter what theologians (how ever respected they are) it is only what the Church actually teaches that matters.

 

[Sirach2]

Fine but these are not Church teachings. Remember Aquinas did not believe in the Immaculate Conception. When it comes to beliefs and teachings everyone should stick firmly to what the CHURCH actually teaches instead of speculating about things it does not teach.

Ah, so because Aquinas, along with others at that time, were having difficulty accepting the I.C., that means everything else he taught is suspect? **Really??? **Until the Church made it a dogma, it was not wrong to theologize and allow the Spirit to bring forth the truth.
This is one of your lamest arguments to prove your case, Thistle.

As for Church teaching on this, the onus is on you to prove the Church doesn’t teach it. It is scriptural. If you have a problem finding a specific teaching in magisterial archives, do not assume there are none whatsoever. You proselytize the faithful as though they are doing something seriously wrong to hold this ancient pious belief. Your theology is way out of line.

 

[thistle]

Ah, so because Aquinas, along with others at that time, were having difficulty accepting the I.C., that means everything else he taught is suspect? **Really??? **Until the Church made it a dogma, it was not wrong to theologize and allow the Spirit to bring forth the truth.
This is one of your lamest arguments to prove your case, Thistle.

As for Church teaching on this, the onus is on you to prove the Church doesn’t teach it. It is scriptural. If you have a problem finding a specific teaching in magisterial archives, do not assume there are none whatsoever. You proselytize the faithful as though they are doing something seriously wrong to hold this ancient pious belief. Your theology is way out of line.

The old stupid trick of asking someone to prove a negative. Grow up.
You are wrong. If the Church does not teach it then it is not a teaching.
If the Church teaches it it would be in the CCC. Where is it there??

 

[Sirach2]

It might not be in the Catechism, but many respected theologians are fine with it.

That’s right, Clare. Not every truth is in the CCC, but those which are necessary for knowing our faith. This is not an article of faith, requiring belief, but falls under the Church’s teaching in Dei Verbum, inviting us, like Mary, to ponder scriptures and come to prayerful development of doctrine. These scriptures, being inerrant, demonstrate the existence of angels with regard to cities. catholic.com/tracts/can-dogma-develop

drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=10&ch=24&l=16#x
2 Sam. 24
[16] And when the angel of the Lord had stretched out his hand over Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord had pity on the affliction, and said to the angel that slew the people: It is enough: now hold thy hand.

drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=12&ch=19&l=35#x
2 Kings 19
[34] And I will protect this city, and will save it for my own sake, and for David my servant’ s sake. [35] And it came to pass that night, that an angel of the Lord came, and slew in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and eighty-five thousand. And when he arose early in the morning, he saw all the bodies of the dead.

 

[oldgraymare2]

The children at Fatima were first visited by the Guardian Angel of Portugal who taught them certain ways of praying.

This is what I had in my mind when I first saw Merrick’s post–The Angel of Portugal that was with the children of Fatima.

Up until that point myself in learning about that, I didn’t know that there were angels that could be assigned to places, in order to protect them, where they could be assigned to towns, cities, etc.

 

[oldgraymare2]

They are real, wonderful, and awesome guardians and messengers. They even take human form sometimes. Children can often see them, while adults may not. There are incredible stories of children and angels. Of angels helping missionaries. And there are stories of adult encounters as well.

Yes, they are so very amazing! I love hearing and reading about them, and about how they help us. It’s so inspiring to me.