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[englishredrose]

Hmmm

I didn’t go last night. The only time I haven’t gone in all the years I been going to church 25 years approx. My reason is that it was the only way I could say to God am angry with Him.

I knew exactly why I didn’t go and I wasn’t going to get what I want and in an exchange deal. I simply didn’t go purely to want God to see how angry I am.

Was it pure coincidence that in England Film 4 had put on Joanne Harris Chocolat on Ash Wednesday? Whichever, am not a big film watcher but I stayed in and watched that eating cadbury chocolate. It kind of felt good but a bit ruined in that the weather was bad with snow so it may have been poorly attended anyway but the priest does know how I feel or will do once, if he hasn’t read that email yet. I had to send it again to make sure he knew it wasnt because of the weather.

It felt good missing it but next day I still feel angry with God and don’t know how that will resolve itself. I have by no means intend on missing any sunday service etc because I haven’t walked out on God. Just sheer angry.

What do you guys do when you so angry with God? My priest does know situation and he also knows whats going off for me. Ps don’t forget am anglican so everything is much more open etc and just done a confession and that wouldnt necessarily be right anyway as not sorry for my anger yet and besides I don’t view God as all that stuff…

 

[petra22]

If you don’t view God as “all that stuff,” why expend any anger toward Him???

 

[AlanFromWichita]

It felt good missing it but next day I still feel angry with God and don’t know how that will resolve itself. I have by no means intend on missing any sunday service etc because I haven’t walked out on God. Just sheer angry.

I am glad you aren’t walking out on Him. I’m guessing that He must have done something to tweak you in one of the “false self energy centers” in order to cause that anger. The centers are power/control, security/comfort, and affection/esteem. A feeling that there is something lacking – or “excessive” desire – along these three lines, can certainly bring about an anger response. So these are things we need a certain amount of, but the worldly false (egoic) self craves these beyond need.

But know this; it’s from the ego. Your heart knows what’s best, and that’s why you’re not walking out on God. I’d think God would far prefer you being angry at Him than for you to either not believe in Him or just plain give up and/or walk away. After all, if you are taking the time to be angry with Him, then you a) believe in Him, and b) care about what He does. You sound like you are angry precisely because you love Him and are disappointed with Him – but the key is that you do love Him. I’m not wrong about that, am I?

If it is a trigger of one or more energy centers, then maybe God has allowed you to feel this anger to call to attention a way that you can become purified. After all, anger usually comes as a result of a test so it’s a purificaion thing. Does that mean God is angry with you? I should think not. I should think He wants the best for you and I bet $100 that He knows precisely how angry you are – and already the Holy Spirit is arranging for your next growth step. Remember even out of anger – like anything else – God can make it good.

Rom 8:28.
We know that all things work for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose.

Alan

 

[Loving_disciple]

When I am angry with God I just normally talk to him and ask him why he let things turn out the way they did. He normal sends a sign that I realize God is only doing what is best for me even though I might not do what’s best for me. Remember God only has our best interest at heart and he will act like a parent at times and take away something from you if it’s not what is best for you. Don’t stay anger with God for long because that can turn into a mortal sin by cursing at God.

 

[Chantal25]

In the past, when i was upset with a situation, i would simply address my concern to God directly and just empty my heart, then i would ask for peace.

I truly don’t feel comfortable with reading your post, if anything, it brakes my heart that you are doing this to God. He doesn’t need any of us, but still he is there for us and he is doing everything possible to help us to go to heaven with him. Any challenges are truly a blessings in disguise and love he has for us. I am reading Saint Faustina’s diary, and you should see how hurt Jesus can be with us when we don’t welcome him in our heart or make time for all kind of distraction but him. Going to church is great (This is a gift that he left us for us) but he wants also that we do charity to others and welcome them in our heart, not just toss a couple dollars but to do from love.

God is God, that we like it or not, we will have to be accountable for all of our actions when we die, please grab a sense of yourself and pray to have remorse for making this statement to God. He is more Merciful then a Judge. This life, is only a step, and it is a great opportunity to growth and aim for saintety as our blessed Holy Mother.

Neither less, you are loved beyond word, please cease to take God’s love for granted and love him.

Blessings and love!

 

[fred_conty]

Anger can turn to your advantage. To do that,for whatever it is, just say to him, “thank you”. “I don’t understand, but it was for the best I know that, because I have absolute trust in you, tho it was hard.” “I love you no matter what”.

Just a thought.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Anger can turn to your advantage. To do that,for whatever it is, just say to him, “thank you”. “I don’t understand, but it was for the best I know that, because I have absolute trust in you, tho it was hard.” “I love you no matter what”.

Just a thought.

I totally agree that even this anger is a gift – which the OP’s heart knows but the mind is still processing. Like the anguish one goes through while taking a test with surprise questions on it that are designed to increase our capacity. Breaking us out of our mental prisons to explore new territory, which is painful but can be edifying (as long as the ego doesn’t step in and get in the way).

Mental prisons can take many forms IMO; e.g. it can either be a persistent narrowmindedness, or it can be complacency or smugness. They can even accompany happiness, but that happiness might be infected with prideful glee. And they don’t bring peace; although they can temporarily bring comfort maybe because they can make things seem all simple and tidy, but when new challenges arise, these thought limits will bring failed thinking. Thus our mental “wineskins” need to expand to hold the new wine of Truth, and these tests can stretch them and break them so God can repair and upgrade them.

I’m glad the OP is choosing to express anger – and in a way that doesn’t take it out on anyone else – rather than becoming depressed or distant. I personally find those reactions harder to get over.

Alan

 

[fred_conty]

Alan, thanx for your response.

I made the comment because it took me a long time to reach this conclusion when I would have so much appreciated if I had known earlier in my life that even anger can help bring one closer to God. I never had thought about it in that way until later.

I read something in a spiritual book which suggested that everything be given to God. And it suddenly became clear that anger dosen’t need to be our worst enemy but can be our ally.
Especially does it give witness to God how much we love and trust him if we transform it and give it back to him.

Jesus received slaps and spit in his face, and he was innocent. Yet he was so peaceful about it, which teaches us how to control it. Because he was innocent, his suffering must have been more, yet he did this out his love in a calm way for all of us. His anger was channeled to his Father for consideration of our sins. He shows us that nothing should be wasted and to use everything for good.

He was truly wonderful to us to give us himself completely, not just his body, but even his emotions…totally.

Just some reflections.

 

[Evania]

I remember reading a passage from one of the blessed or saints (Perhaps Mother Teresa), that it is normal to feel anger toward God at times. In fact, it is an act of faith in the sense that you are acknowledging his sovereignty and His power in your situation. However, there is a line that you shouldn’t cross! Do not rebel against Him, or do things directed toward Him out of spite. In the end, you should always have the assurance that He knows what is best, and orders all things into good. Your anger should not puff you up with pride against Him.

Anger in and of itself is a normal human emotion. It’s how you handle it that can be sinful. If you truly love God, He is big enough to handle your anger toward Him. In the end though, Trust and let your prayer be “Thy Will be done.”

 

[Robertanthony]

If you want to enjoy life, get rich. If you want to be unsure, to have someone keep you guessing, if you want to hear the litany of how much that person loves you but see most of your ardent prayers unanswered, go with God. Disappointment is his business, his mastery is unmatched. He died for you so you deserve a tough life with very little breaks. He’s perfectly happy and content and he’ll see to it that you’re not because, y’know, he’s God. Try and think of a worse tyranny than God’s. Hell? He made hell. Satan? He made Satan. No one will find out before it’s too late to do anything about it if eternal bliss or torture will be their fate, that’s tyranny. The Third Reich lasted 6 years, God’s hell will never end. The only real tragedy, from which all tragedies stem, is God’s existence. Why did he have to exist?

 

[scoobydoo6v92]

Hmmm

I didn’t go last night. The only time I haven’t gone in all the years I been going to church 25 years approx. My reason is that it was the only way I could say to God am angry with Him.

I knew exactly why I didn’t go and I wasn’t going to get what I want and in an exchange deal. I simply didn’t go purely to want God to see how angry I am.

Was it pure coincidence that in England Film 4 had put on Joanne Harris Chocolat on Ash Wednesday? Whichever, am not a big film watcher but I stayed in and watched that eating cadbury chocolate. It kind of felt good but a bit ruined in that the weather was bad with snow so it may have been poorly attended anyway but the priest does know how I feel or will do once, if he hasn’t read that email yet. I had to send it again to make sure he knew it wasnt because of the weather.

It felt good missing it but next day I still feel angry with God and don’t know how that will resolve itself. I have by no means intend on missing any sunday service etc because I haven’t walked out on God. Just sheer angry.

What do you guys do when you so angry with God? My priest does know situation and he also knows whats going off for me. Ps don’t forget am anglican so everything is much more open etc and just done a confession and that wouldnt necessarily be right anyway as not sorry for my anger yet and besides I don’t view God as all that stuff…

Well. I have to say that if you get angry with God That means you beleive in him. Great. Why are you angry? tell him how you feel. I get hoppin mad at him when I see an injustice in my life or when I see someone struggle and struggle and struggle. and no relief, yes it makes me angry. So many other examples. But yes I get mad and I let God know how I feel. I sometimes feel he ignores me. The point I want to make is, that to get angry at someone, you must beleive that he exists. Lukewarm isn’t good hot or cold is. That is my short opinion on this

 

[englishredrose]

If you don’t view God as “all that stuff,” why expend any anger toward Him???

Hello
Sorry for taking a long time in getting back to this thread.

I don’t view God as ‘all that stuff’’ so why expand any anger toward Him

I do get what you are saying. I didn’t get what I was saying. Angry at God however is okay. It is okay because priest said so in confession last year. I didnt understand that last year when he said, but now I do. Being angry at God does show you believe in God. It does show you Love God. After all if didn’t Love God, then would never get angry at Him.

I do not really know why I was angry at Him this time. I know why last year. But this year I had a mixture of possibilities but none of them as words seem to fit. But that is me anyway.

So why do I expand my Anger towards Him if I don’t view Him as all that stuff? I do so because I Love God and wanted to show God I was feeling hurt. That was only way I could come up with to show God I was feeling hurt. A few weeks later I came up with another way. I shared it with the priest so it didn’t happen. Now I think the anger has passed and I am not trying to show God I am hurt. I am hurting. That has moved on.

 

[englishredrose]

I am glad you aren’t walking out on Him. I’m guessing that He must have done something to tweak you in one of the “false self energy centers” in order to cause that anger. The centers are power/control, security/comfort, and affection/esteem. A feeling that there is something lacking – or “excessive” desire – along these three lines, can certainly bring about an anger response. So these are things we need a certain amount of, but the worldly false (egoic) self craves these beyond need. I needed to show God my anger and walking out wasn’t the option. Besides I hadn’t fallen out with Him, just angry. I need to show God since I can’t tell Him. It was an action.

But know this; it’s from the ego. Your heart knows what’s best, and that’s why you’re not walking out on God. I’d think God would far prefer you being angry at Him than for you to either not believe in Him or just plain give up and/or walk away. After all, if you are taking the time to be angry with Him, then you a) believe in Him, and b) care about what He does. You sound like you are angry precisely because you love Him and are disappointed with Him – but the key is that you do love Him. I’m not wrong about that, am I?I think this is why last year I was told it is okay to be angry with God. I didn’t understand at the time but I think I do now. No you are not wrong and you are very right. To be angry means one feels. Anger is of hurt and hurt because of Love etc…Yes I was disappointed in God. I couldn’t understand what was happening as such. Logically, I could understand but not the whole…if you get me there?

If it is a trigger of one or more energy centers, then maybe God has allowed you to feel this anger to call to attention a way that you can become purified. After all, anger usually comes as a result of a test so it’s a purificaion thing. Does that mean God is angry with you? I should think not. I should think He wants the best for you and I bet $100 that He knows precisely how angry you are – and already the Holy Spirit is arranging for your next growth step. Remember even out of anger – like anything else – God can make it good.

Rom 8:28.
We know that all things work for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose.

Alan

Thanks because I understood what you were saying when you posted but needed time. Angry means that one Loves. The Love got hurt. I can’t just say so had to show. That anger has now healed I think. I have got through it and although I can’t tell God what is happening I think that God is very real and this has shown me how I can in a practical way show God…

 

[englishredrose]

Alan, thanx for your response.

I made the comment because it took me a long time to reach this conclusion when I would have so much appreciated if I had known earlier in my life that even anger can help bring one closer to God. I never had thought about it in that way until later.

I read something in a spiritual book which suggested that everything be given to God. And it suddenly became clear that anger dosen’t need to be our worst enemy but can be our ally.
Especially does it give witness to God how much we love and trust him if we transform it and give it back to him.

Jesus received slaps and spit in his face, and he was innocent. Yet he was so peaceful about it, which teaches us how to control it. Because he was innocent, his suffering must have been more, yet he did this out his love in a calm way for all of us. His anger was channeled to his Father for consideration of our sins. He shows us that nothing should be wasted and to use everything for good.

He was truly wonderful to us to give us himself completely, not just his body, but even his emotions…totally.

Just some reflections.

Anger towards God is good because it is another way of being with God. He is with us whatever we are feeling. It shows that we have a real connection with God. I cannot word my anger now as to then. I haven’t that understanding. But yes, by being angry with God and skipping a service I always been at makes the connection feel very real and strong in its way. I didn’t miss because I couldn’t be bothered going. I missed to show God.

 

[englishredrose]

I remember reading a passage from one of the blessed or saints (Perhaps Mother Teresa), that it is normal to feel anger toward God at times. In fact, it is an act of faith in the sense that you are acknowledging his sovereignty and His power in your situation. However, there is a line that you shouldn’t cross! Do not rebel against Him, or do things directed toward Him out of spite. In the end, you should always have the assurance that He knows what is best, and orders all things into good. Your anger should not puff you up with pride against Him.

Anger in and of itself is a normal human emotion. It’s how you handle it that can be sinful. If you truly love God, He is big enough to handle your anger toward Him. In the end though, Trust and let your prayer be “Thy Will be done.”

Is skipping a service rebelling against God? May be if one didn’t go back at all or whatever. But I think in my case I wasn’t rebelling but because I cannot ‘talk’ to God I had to show my feeling and I chose that as a way of showing my feeling. I was probably more with God that evening than if I had gone to church even. Just had to show. Thank you:thumbsup:

 

[englishredrose]

If you want to enjoy life, get rich. If you want to be unsure, to have someone keep you guessing, if you want to hear the litany of how much that person loves you but see most of your ardent prayers unanswered, go with God. Disappointment is his business, his mastery is unmatched. He died for you so you deserve a tough life with very little breaks. He’s perfectly happy and content and he’ll see to it that you’re not because, y’know, he’s God. Try and think of a worse tyranny than God’s. Hell? He made hell. Satan? He made Satan. No one will find out before it’s too late to do anything about it if eternal bliss or torture will be their fate, that’s tyranny. The Third Reich lasted 6 years, God’s hell will never end. The only real tragedy, from which all tragedies stem, is God’s existence. Why did he have to exist?

Tough words and so true. We can afford to feel whatever we feel with God because He is a Loving God and wouldn’t give us more than we can handle without testing us first. Hell is a state of being we are regularly told and at times I feel my own Hell. That is soft compared to lives of others I know and feel guilty for it. But I have my own concept/life of Hell and yet at the same time God is there just waiting and I can almost affford Hell because I know God is here. We can afford to think in terms of Hell because of God being ever near and know really that it isn’t really Hell compared to lives of others who are in more Hell and cope far better. So it easy to feel safe in the anger toward God forgetting that we can be angry toward God and He is ever loving with us. Though not denying those moments of Hell on Earth are Hell for the individual and one copes far better than others. Yes we can afford to think about Hell because we know God and there is Heaven. Without God, without Heaven, we couldn’t/wouldn’t want to think about Hell if there is a place of Hell if there wasn’t a God anyway.

 

[englishredrose]

Well. I have to say that if you get angry with God That means you beleive in him. Great. Why are you angry? tell him how you feel. I get hoppin mad at him when I see an injustice in my life or when I see someone struggle and struggle and struggle. and no relief, yes it makes me angry. So many other examples. But yes I get mad and I let God know how I feel. I sometimes feel he ignores me. The point I want to make is, that to get angry at someone, you must beleive that he exists. Lukewarm isn’t good hot or cold is. That is my short opinion on this

My problem is, is that I can’t tell God how I feel. I can show Him but I cannot tell Him. I cannot do intercessionary or worded Prayer. Its impossible for me. I do prayer. Just not anything with words so cannot tell Him anything. My actions show God. I can be with God easily but cannot talk to God. I do Love God and I know this is why I get angry with Him from time to time. Angryness is a form of Love, stems from Love. I know that now.
Thanks

 

[scoobydoo6v92]

Is skipping a service rebelling against God? May be if one didn’t go back at all or whatever. But I think in my case I wasn’t rebelling but because I cannot ‘talk’ to God I had to show my feeling and I chose that as a way of showing my feeling. I was probably more with God that evening than if I had gone to church even. Just had to show. Thank you:thumbsup:

If you want personal relationship with God the Father, Jesus the Christ King of the Universe God the Ghost, You will get mad and I think God will understand, He wants passion and He wants you to be real. If something happens in your life and it sucks, and you tell God “well, its okay, i mean it’s your will and I think it is just fine” when really you feel like telling him that it really sucks. Is that being honest with God? Tell him how you feel he is a big guy he can take it. Tell him that this situation is unacceptable if that is how you feel. When you see a heresey in the Catholic Church it isn’t okay, Speak up. It is a two way deal when something is awesome and that He answered your fervent prayer and delivers you out of the desert get on your knees and thank him will the all the passion you have. That is how I feel Yes I am angry with him and I am frustrated with Him and I wish oh I wish he would deliver me from my misery. Either take me or deliver me, this inbetween stuff is awful Lord and I need your mercy and deliverence. That is where I am. I will never walk away from you Jesus but I feel that you walked out on me, and I know you didn’t but it feels like you have.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

My problem is, is that I can’t tell God how I feel. I can show Him but I cannot tell Him. I cannot do intercessionary or worded Prayer. Its impossible for me. I do prayer. Just not anything with words so cannot tell Him anything. My actions show God. I can be with God easily but cannot talk to God. I do Love God and I know this is why I get angry with Him from time to time. Angryness is a form of Love, stems from Love. I know that now.
Thanks

This actually sound passive-aggressive. I can’t tell God how I feel, but I can show Him. In a comparable worldly situation that’s like if my wife can’t tell me what I did that bothers her, although she can yell at me or give me the silent treatment or cut me off in bed or whatever. And if I ask what’s wrong she says, “oh nothing.” I know a lot of couples can relate to that, and it is not a fun relationship characteristic to have. We’ve had shades of these problems all along, but in 27 years we’ve done everything we can to outgrow them. So now if I can’t explain to her what my problem is with her, or what I’m asking her to do differently, then a demonstration to her would amount to a temper tantrum, and it tends to increase the problems with the relationship rather than improve them.

But wait – you can’t say with words, why? Because you can’t find descriptive words, or because you can’t talk to God like that? If it’s because of the words, then I understand. But if you can’t talk to God like that, then I think it would only be proper to avoid taking any action against him. Because I guess the idea would be to hurt Him in some arbitrary way and expect Him to figure out what you don’t want to explain. That way it’s all on Him to fix it and if He doesn’t read your mind and change His behavior to accommodate your unspoken concerns, that justifies you in becoming even angrier. I don’t see that as a fix.

Alan

 

[Michael_Allen]

I think reading the Psalms are good if you’re feeling angry - they show us that it’s OK to bring all our emotions before God. The book of Ecclesiastes is good as well. And the book of Job. In fact the bible is full of examples of people being angry with God and questioning God. Yet through all that there is also an implicit trust that God will put things right (just not always in the time-frame we want).

God bless you englishredrose +