Anglican beliefs

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I am going to skip searching out catholic beliefs for the moment until I can get one item straightend out with a priest, or hopefully the ask the apologist.

Right now, its just going to be Anglicans and possibly Orthodox.

Any good information on Anglican beliefs, and what I need to know would be appreciated.

Please, if I ask questions, dont take it personally as if I am attacking your church. Remember I am not a believer and my questions are based in trying to understand from that place.

Sincerly,

Monica

I hope I can figure out some basics today, because its the last day I can devote to this with any time.
 
Thank you. I did not know about some things I typed in the search bar. Well, I can rule this one out too.
 
notsmart said:
Thank you. I did not know about some things I typed in the search bar. Well, I can rule this one out too.
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Why? I have no particular interest in making you an Anglican (I think you’d be better off becoming Catholic or Orthodox), but I’d like to know what specific things you found problematic?

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
Why? I have no particular interest in making you an Anglican (I think you’d be better off becoming Catholic or Orthodox), but I’d like to know what specific things you found problematic?

Edwin
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Thats an interesting question. What did I type that you feel I would be better off as a Catholic or Orthodox?

Maybe I have preconcieved notions, and thats not good.

Is there anything you can tell me- either PM or here that led you to see anything like that?

I like the longevity factor, and the stand on abortion, but I dont recall making any or much more out of the Catholic Church, and certainly not the Orthodox here. Except for maybe taking an interest in school possibilities.

I have stated, I think God created more people to be in heaven than in an eternal hell, but thats not strictly a catholic belief, I think.

My concern was the search button on that site, and what popped up on abortion.

One of the things that led me here was a friend scheduling an abortion.
 
Hello, I am in the USA, and I can find Episcopal Churches in the phone book, but I dont know if thats the same thing.

If they are a united body, and one part says its grey, and the other says its black and white, its a deal breaker for me.

I need to have this topic, a total no if I can assosiate myself with it.

Maybe thats why Contrani says I would be a better Catholic or Orthodox?
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Where do you live?

I ask this because different Anglican churches have different beliefs on abortion.

The page I referred you to was from the Church of England. They seem to be anti-abortion:

cofe.anglican.org/info/socialpublic/science/abortion/abortion.pdf

However, the American Anglican Church (The Episcopal Church) is more of a “pro-choice” church:

episcopalchurch.org/3577_37993_ENG_HTM.htm

So, there is no “uniform” Anglican belief on this issue.
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notsmart said:
Hello, I am in the USA, and I can find Episcopal Churches in the phone book, but I dont know if thats the same thing.

If they are a united body, and one part says its grey, and the other says its black and white, its a deal breaker for me.

I need to have this topic, a total no if I can assosiate myself with it.

Maybe thats why Contrani says I would be a better Catholic or Orthodox?
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I would recommend Catholic or Orthodox before I recommended the Episcopal Church USA (which is a part of the worldwide Anglican Communion). Having said that, I’d recommend Lutheranism first 😉
 
notsmart said:
Hello, I am in the USA, and I can find Episcopal Churches in the phone book, but I dont know if thats the same thing.

If they are a united body, and one part says its grey, and the other says its black and white, its a deal breaker for me.

I need to have this topic, a total no if I can assosiate myself with it.

Maybe thats why Contrani says I would be a better Catholic or Orthodox?
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Not to muddy the water any more, but since you are here in the USA, there are many Anglican churches which are not in communion with the Episcopal Church and would be anti-abortion. They are usually referred to as “continuing Anglicans.”
 
TriuneUnity said:
I would recommend Catholic or Orthodox before I recommended the Episcopal Church USA (which is a part of the worldwide Anglican Communion). Having said that, I’d recommend Lutheranism first 😉
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You are an excellent, and very well informed Lutheran. I would say exceptional. However, my “problem” with getting involved with Lutheranism lies in the very name of it.

Its putting a mans name first. I hope you dont get offended by my saying that, but all my life I never understood why anyone claiming such a love for God in Jesus, would stand for a mere mans name as their title for their church. I think even this Luther, (who I dont know much about) would likely be embarrased if he knew how it looked to me.
 
IowaJay said:
Not to muddy the water any more, but since you are here in the USA, there are many Anglican churches which are not in communion with the Episcopal Church and would be anti-abortion. They are usually referred to as “continuing Anglicans.”
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Okay. That may be worth checking out then. I dont want to rule anything out, out of hand.
 
notsmart said:
You are an excellent, and very well informed Lutheran. I would say exceptional. However, my “problem” with getting involved with Lutheranism lies in the very name of it.

Its putting a mans name first. I hope you dont get offended by my saying that, but all my life I never understood why anyone claiming such a love for God in Jesus, would stand for a mere mans name as their title for their church. I think even this Luther, (who I dont know much about) would likely be embarrased if he knew how it looked to me.
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Luther was opposed to churches using his name. The term “Lutheran” was originally used by opponents as a derogatory term, and followers eventually adopted it.

The term “Lutheran” is used more often in heterogenous cultures like the US where there are many different denominations, so the name “Lutheran” is included so you can tell who we are. In the heavily Lutheran parts of northern Europe, you’ll be glad to know that the official names of the churches are simply “The Church of Norway” or “The Church of Sweden” or “The Evangelical Church in Germany.”
 
notsmart said:
You are an excellent, and very well informed Lutheran. I would say exceptional. However, my “problem” with getting involved with Lutheranism lies in the very name of it.

Its putting a mans name first. I hope you dont get offended by my saying that, but all my life I never understood why anyone claiming such a love for God in Jesus, would stand for a mere mans name as their title for their church. I think even this Luther, (who I dont know much about) would likely be embarrased if he knew how it looked to me.
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However, not…Luther, until just prior to his death opposed the use of the term Lutheran. It was not decided upon by the Lutheran reformers. The term was first coined by Catholic scholar and apologist John Eck. Luther’s preferred use for the church was the Evangelical Catholic Church. Due to Eck’s term falling into common parlance in Europe, Luther eventually relented and permitted it (mainly because he couldn’t stop it).
 
Well, that sure paints another picture. However, I just googled him up, and maybe its too hard to do in one minute or so, but he seemed like he was a split personality. He said interesting things, but he also said some vile things too. Maybe it was due to the times, but any man trying to follow God, as he said he was, could never say the things he said. Its downright scary.
 
notsmart said:
Well, that sure paints another picture. However, I just googled him up, and maybe its too hard to do in one minute or so, but he seemed like he was a split personality. He said interesting things, but he also said some vile things too. Maybe it was due to the times, but any man trying to follow God, as he said he was, could never say the things he said. Its downright scary.
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Not necessarily when you consider the period of time he lived in. Many worse things were done by those who are now canonized Catholic saints. Our faith rests on the Word of God, and not on Martin Luther. Luther just understood it better than most in his day and age. Of our Confessional documents, only 3 were written by Luther.
 
TriuneUnity said:
Not necessarily when you consider the period of time he lived in. Many worse things were done by those who are now canonized Catholic saints. Our faith rests on the Word of God, and not on Martin Luther. Luther just understood it better than most in his day and age. Of our Confessional documents, only 3 were written by Luther.
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Well, I did consider the “times” in my reply, and you just helped confirm that, but I am still wondering if (my gut) says he was so immersed in the bible, how he could not know saying the things he said were so, out of line with what I read about it (Jesus).

And, the other question pops into my head. He may have been sent by God to help, but did he help by furthering the already bad example the Catholics and Orthodox set for all of christian history?

It seems I would not be having to do so much work figuring all this out, had there not been so many so quick to jump ship, and fight amoungst themselves. It does not even seem to me, (from my limited view) that these things, were not able to be met by more concerned efforts on all sides. The result, is many people like me never go forward due to what appears to be a ton of contradiction, and confusion over matters that look on the surface, to be rooted in personal feelings, and not the entire community at large.

Again, I am totally unaware at this point, of the subtle but yet so far- it seems like huge to christians, differences. This looks to me like pride at work.
 
notsmart said:
Well, I did consider the “times” in my reply, and you just helped confirm that, but I am still wondering if (my gut) says he was so immersed in the bible, how he could not know saying the things he said were so, out of line with what I read about it (Jesus).
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All of us read the sacred scriptures and are immersed in them daily. However, we still willfully violate the commands that it contains on a daily basis. Luther is no exception. We are sinners.
And, the other question pops into my head. He may have been sent by God to help, but did he help by furthering the already bad example the Catholics and Orthodox set for all of christian history?
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Could you clarify what you mean here?
 
What I am attempting to say, likely poorly is that the Catholic Orthodox split set the tone for disunity, causing people like me, to be in a state of confusion. This is exasperated, by Luther also.

So, I guess I wonder had the original split not happened, would Luther have also done another splitting away,?

I am not sure. I just know it would have been easier for me LOL if there had never been any splits.
 
notsmart said:
What I am attempting to say, likely poorly is that the Catholic Orthodox split set the tone for disunity, causing people like me, to be in a state of confusion. This is exasperated, by Luther also.

So, I guess I wonder had the original split not happened, would Luther have also done another splitting away,?

I am not sure. I just know it would have been easier for me LOL if there had never been any splits.
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Sure…but we have to deal with the facts of sin upon human history. Should any split not have happened? No…Christ desires unity within the Church. But Christ also calls us to not join light with darkness and truth with error. Though Luther did not seek separation, after his excommunication, what choice did he have?
 
TriuneUnity said:
Sure…but we have to deal with the facts of sin upon human history. Should any split not have happened? No…Christ desires unity within the Church. But Christ also calls us to not join light with darkness and truth with error. Though Luther did not seek separation, after his excommunication, what choice did he have?
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I dont know. I need to read in more detail. Was there a way he could have petitioned a hearing after the fact?
 
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