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Anglican bishop lays mitre, crozier at our lady?s feet as he leaves for ordinariate [ewtn]
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gurneyhalleck1
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blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100065740/anglican-bishop-lays-his-mitre-and-crozier-at-the-feet-of-our-lady-as-he-leaves-for-rome/
I thought this was a rather poignant and relevent article as well as a touching one. It points to the idea of Anglo-Catholicism as something of a failed experiment and a fantasy within the Anglican ethos.
It touches upon a lot of the concerns I myself have at this moment in time. I thought I’d share it and see what everyone thinks…
I thought this was a rather poignant and relevent article as well as a touching one. It points to the idea of Anglo-Catholicism as something of a failed experiment and a fantasy within the Anglican ethos.
It touches upon a lot of the concerns I myself have at this moment in time. I thought I’d share it and see what everyone thinks…
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Reservoir_Dog
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I doubt the bishop would approve of your petty slanders.
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Alexander_Roman
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Yes - the bishop went to Rome as an Anglican, not as a Roman Catholic.
He will continue to be an “Anglican in union with Rome.” Anglo-Catholicism has brought forth many rich spiritual fruits and even saints.
Alex
He will continue to be an “Anglican in union with Rome.” Anglo-Catholicism has brought forth many rich spiritual fruits and even saints.
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JHow
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I assume you are reacting to this…
…which was likely prompted by this…
…which came from the article. Where was the slander?
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Reservoir_Dog
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If you have to ask that question, there’s no point in answering it. And I doubt the bishop would endorse that petty slander.
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gurneyhalleck1
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With all due respect, you’re not making sense. The other poster referenced my statement pointing toward the article. I’m not slandering anyone and you know it.
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Reservoir_Dog
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This thread is pathetic.
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masuwerte
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JMHO, but if Rev. Burnham truly believes all that the Catholic Church teaches, particularly what it teaches about itself, then he should become Catholic. Whether he can still lead a beautiful C of E-esque liturgy or not. If he no longer believes what the C of E teaches, he should be honest with himself and leave.
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Dave_Noonan
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Since there is no established ordinariate yet to go to, I assume the timing has everything to do with the upcoming C of E synod where ordination of women will be discussed and probably approved.
So, where will this man go to church now? At the Catholic church down the street? Or will he stay home and watch football until everything’s up and running?
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MarkBrown
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Bishop Burnham is leaving as the Canons and rules of the CoE dictate. The Archbishop of Canturbury as have his superiors worked out how he is to leave. This is the end of his active ministry. 31 Dec he will effectively be out of the CoE. No more Anglican Mass, no duties.
Jan 2011 he will be ordained a Catholic priest, along with 2 other CoE Bishops. Lent 2 retired Bishops, 50 priest and 30 parishes will be recieved into the Catholic Church. At Pentecost, many if not all of the retired Bishops and the 50 priests will be ordained into the Catholic Church. The 30 parishes will then be established as Catholic parish-Anglican Use.
The good Bishop already sees himself as a Catholic. He is doing everything in proper form as directed by his superiors in the CoE and by the Holy Father.
So he is being honest with himself. I do understand your confusion as to how an honest Bishop behaves. Too often in the Episcopal church and in the Anglican Communion we do not have good examples of how Bishops are to behave. Truly is sad state of affairs that.
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MarkBrown
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The Ordinariate will be establish in Jan 2011 in England. In Australia the indication is an establish ordinariate around Easter 2011.
The Bishop will continue to attend a CoE parish. Probably one who has opted for the Catholic Church. He will not be an active minister/Bishop in the CoE.
This will only continue to 31 Dec. Jan 2011 he and two other CoE Bishops will be ordained as priests in the Catholic Church. They will facilitate the reception of 2 other Bishops, 50 priests and 30 parishes. I would assume he would in Jan 2011 attend and eventually celebrate Mass in a Catholic parish until such time as the former CoE parishes are up and running as Catholic parishes-Anglican Use.
The good Bishop is one of the field organizers of the Ordinariate in England. He will be very busy starting now organizing and sheparding those going home to the Church.
I know our Points of contact here in the States are very busy gathering information and organizing us. In England you have the CoE and TAC. The States have a more diverse population of Anglicans. Anglicans waiting to join the US Ordinariate include, but not limited to: Episcopal church, REC, CEC, ACC, ACNA and ACA. A couple of weeks ago about 80 Anglican Archbishops, Bishops, Priests and Deacons met in San Antonio with representatives of the Catholic Church. Those Anglicans were from the above groups and some others. The organizers admitted it was more than they expected and that many many additional Anglican Clergy contacted them but were unable to attend due to distance and other duties. So far 50+ parishes, missions and groups have committed to the US Ordinariate once it is established. Additional parishes, following their individual Canons, are inthe process of discerning answering the call of the Holy Spirit as made through the Pope.
While the initial wave will not be huge, probably small though bigger than our detractors thought, once the Ordinariates are established and working, I know Anglican priests and laity who will discern once again. I know one priest who will not be coming on the first wave as his wife has not reach the point of conversion. Hopefully he and his family will be in follow-on groups.
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ConstantineTG
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Fr. Mark, any word on when the Ordinariate will be up and running here in Canada?
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MarkBrown
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Nothing firm yet. The last time I asked, I specifically asked if by Pentecost. Was told a good possibility. My opinion only, by Summer 2011 for the States and Canada. In the States Cardinal Wuerl’s office will continue to gather information until 31 Dec 2010.
Sorry I don’t have more info. But it appears Canada and the States will take more time, for one reason we have a more diverse Anglican Community than the UK. Canada has the established Canadian Anglican Church, then the TAC and ACNA. The US has about 100 (last count) different Anglican flavors. More for Rome to wade through with us.
Then we have the Anglican-Catholic-Lutheran Church seeking to enter the US Ordinariate. The Church appears to have a problem, in a good way, of keeping up with all the sundry and more numerous Anglicans crowding onto the bridge quietly and some not so quietly waiting for the word to be given and the door opened.
Fr. Mark
Sorry I don’t have more info. But it appears Canada and the States will take more time, for one reason we have a more diverse Anglican Community than the UK. Canada has the established Canadian Anglican Church, then the TAC and ACNA. The US has about 100 (last count) different Anglican flavors. More for Rome to wade through with us.
Then we have the Anglican-Catholic-Lutheran Church seeking to enter the US Ordinariate. The Church appears to have a problem, in a good way, of keeping up with all the sundry and more numerous Anglicans crowding onto the bridge quietly and some not so quietly waiting for the word to be given and the door opened.
Fr. Mark
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Bluegoat
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You know, in the Old Days, The Particular had a particular meaning, 
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gurneyhalleck1
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GKC invented the term “particulars” so you’ll have to get him to unpack that term! 
You know, in the Old Days, The Particular had a particular meaning,
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BernadetteM
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Just a correction, yes the Bishop went to Rome as an Anglican, but will be ordained a Catholic priest and will be fully a Latin/Roman Catholic. He and all the Anglicans who are coming into the Ordinariate will be Catholic, but will bring their Anglican patrimony/ traditions with them.
An Ordinariate will be like a diocese, but there will be only one Ordinariate and one Ordinary (who is like a bishop or if unmarried could become a bishop) in each country. In the future we will wait and see if more and more Anglicans join and if so, who knows if Rome will appoint more than one Ordinary in each country.
God Bless
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jordananglo
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Fr. Mark,
Thanks for this valuable update. It is the first I’ve heard of 50+ groups. I wanted to ask you about your last paragraph. I assume you mean the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church.
I’ve had some correspondence with members of the ALCC and they have said that while they do indeed wish to enter the Catholic Church corporately, they have a petition of their own, sent pre-Anglicanorum Coetibus, which has not been replied to. Last I heard is that they were waiting for a response to this petition, and if they were directed to apply to the Ordinariate, they would, but have not received word. Do you have more information?
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