Anglican Breviary?

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I got the unfortunate news today from Baronious that i did not make the cut for the breviary =. I was looking for something and came across the Anglican Breviary and im a little confused. Is it for anglicans? or is it just an english verison of the Roman Breviary. Does any one recommend this one?
 
From what I understand (having never seen one) it is a translation of the pre-Pius X Roman Breviary into English for use by Anglican clergy at the time when the Anglicans were re-adopting bits and pieces of traditional Catholicism.

Consider it an un-authorized translation of a Breviary that was once official but passed out of use about a century ago. No Catholic priest could fulfill his duties praying it, but I’m sure it would make a good private devotion for a layman. I also heard the translation is beautifully done.

If you want to pass the traditional office in union with the Church, however, hold out for the Breviary revised by Pope John XXIII.
 
Rich_C said:
If you want to pass the traditional office in union with the Church, however, hold out for the Breviary revised by Pope John XXIII.
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i intend on doing that once the Barnious one comes out but im just looking for something to hold me over till then
 
Rich_C said:
From what I understand (having never seen one) it is a translation of the pre-Pius X Roman Breviary into English for use by Anglican clergy at the time when the Anglicans were re-adopting bits and pieces of traditional Catholicism.

Consider it an un-authorized translation of a Breviary that was once official but passed out of use about a century ago. No Catholic priest could fulfill his duties praying it, but I’m sure it would make a good private devotion for a layman. I also heard the translation is beautifully done.

If you want to pass the traditional office in union with the Church, however, hold out for the Breviary revised by Pope John XXIII.
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I would hardly call it traditional as it is only 112 years old. The current Benedictine breviary (schema A) is an approved breviary whose basic format and psalter is 1500 years old and with ambrosian hymns going back 1600 years. And it’s fully licit.
 
I have one. It is for private use of High Church Anglicans, and has no official standing in the Episcopal Church in the USA, or anywhere in the Anglican Communion. It is almost an exact English translation of the pre-Pius XII Latin breviary. A few little bits here and there have been changed, not much. If you strongly desire Elizabethan-era English, then I would recommend it. If you prefer that every last jot and tittle reflect the Roman Breviary, and a slightly more modern translation, then I would go for the 1964 Roman Breviary
 
OraLabora said:
I would hardly call it traditional as it is only 112 years old. The current Benedictine breviary (schema A) is an approved breviary whose basic format and psalter is 1500 years old and with ambrosian hymns going back 1600 years. And it’s fully licit.
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I was leaning toward this gem until I considered that I’d rather pray with the whole Church than with the Benedictines alone. Still, it looks good enough to justify taking a 3rd order on its merits alone!
 
disneyfan1206 said:
i intend on doing that once the Barnious one comes out but im just looking for something to hold me over till then
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Asked with all possible respect: What is so objectionable about the current breviary, that the version as prayed by the church isn’t adequate to “hold you over” until Baronious’ becomes available?
 
Rich_C said:
I was leaning toward this gem until I considered that I’d rather pray with the whole Church than with the Benedictines alone. Still, it looks good enough to justify taking a 3rd order on its merits alone!
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You would still be praying with the whole Church. The Benedictine breviary (current) has the same collects and intercessions as the LOTH. The basic structure is the same. The same canticles (OT, NT, and Gospel) are prayed every day, and the GILH says that it fulfills the obligation of those under obedience to pray the LOTH.

The only difference is the psalter: Benedictines praying either Schema A or B pray the entire psalter in a week (schema A is in a week and then some in fact as many psalms are repeated, such as 3, 4, 50, 66, 90, 94 and 133 every day plus the Gradual psalms at the minor hours on Tuesday through Saturday); other schemas do it in 2 weeks. So the psalm placement and order are somewhat different.

Still there is some overlap, such as Sunday Vespers, Sunday Compline, parts of Lauds, Friday Lauds (psalm 50 is used every day at Lauds in the Benedictine breviary, and every Friday in the Roman LOTH).

There are some differences in the calendar; some Benedictine saints not in the General Roman Calendar; some feasts raised from memorials to feasts or solemnities for Benedictine saints (including St. Benedict, and St. Scholastica), and some saints in the general calendar are reduced to optional memorials or not observed at all. But overall there is much more in common between the two calendars, than there are differences.

On the other hand, using a non-official early breviary, or using the 1962 breviary but praying it in the vernacular, would not be liturgical prayer and would thus not be praying with the entire Church.
 
As long as it is approved by the Church for public liturgy, you are praying with the whole Church.

This means, if you pray with the Benedictines, either the 1 week cycle of psalms or 2 weeks cycle of psalms, since it is approved liturgy, you still pray with the Church.
This means, if you pray the Office using schema from Book of Divine Worship of the Anglican Use liturgy of the Catholic Church, you still pray with the Church.
This means, if you pray the Office of the Byzantine rite, or Maronite rite, or whichever rite that you find work for you, you still pray with the Church.
 
I agree with Alfonsus.

All this legalism about “specific perfect” breviaries is nonsense, it is not in the spirit of the medieval church, but of the counter-reformation defensive overly centralized church.

When you have such terrible translations and reinventing of the various latin psalters (current latin novus ordo psalter is not that used historically) who can claim that one is out of line…

Half the religious orders now have their own Divine office approved that nobody else seems to use, sometimes with “gender neutral” watered down language that makes me cringe.

Lay people probably have the same right if they can start a confraternity.

Find a consecrated virgin and have a do-it-yourself breivary party.

So long as it is in the spirit of the law… these days…seems like anything goes…

May as well take the same principles and apply it to the traditional breviary.

sarum-chant.ca/office—advent/temporale/temporale-files/B-25Lent3.pdf
newbyz.org/lamentations_music_w3rd_harmonized.pdf

People who say these are invalid are beyond my understanding.
 
I agree with Alfonsus.

All this legalism about “specific perfect” breviaries is nonsense, it is not in the spirit of the medieval church, but of the counter-reformation defensive overly centralized church.

When you have such terrible translations and reinventing of the various latin psalters (current latin novus ordo psalter is not that used historically) who can claim that one is out of line…

Half the religious orders now have their own Divine office approved that nobody else seems to use, sometimes with “gender neutral” watered down language that makes me cringe.

Lay people probably have the same right if they can start a confraternity.

Find a consecrated virgin and have a do-it-yourself breivary party.

So long as it is in the spirit of the law… these days…seems like anything goes…

May as well take the same principles and apply it to the traditional breviary.

sarum-chant.ca/office—advent/temporale/temporale-files/B-25Lent3.pdf
newbyz.org/lamentations_music_w3rd_harmonized.pdf

People who say these are invalid are beyond my understanding.

P.S. I use the Monastic Matins Breviary every other day (created by anglicans mimicing the benedictine latin vers.). I seem to recall no official english translation yet exists to compare to it. Though there is a 2 year cycle novus ordo benedictine vigils lectionary with church fathers writings in it that I heard might be decent.
 
The two-year post V II lectionary is what I use. I have a Latin-French version put out by Solesmes so the patristic readings lean heavily on monastic sources (not just Benedictine). As for “validity” it really boils down to whether you want to pray as liturgy (official public prayer of the Church) or private devotion.

I figure if I’m going to go through all that effort, I may as well make liturgy too! It doesn’t require any extra effort and there are plenty of approved modern or traditional sources to draw from.
 
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