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Maybe Chesterton was prophetic when he said “Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists.” If you look at the United States and its evolution it went from mom and pop stores and small businesses to the megaconglamorates and pseudo monopolies that Republicans so jealously defend these days. And of course big farmers get their subsidies, agrarian welfare I like to think of it, to make sure the big farms stay healthy and in control. In Central California, there used to be hundreds and hundreds of small farms but in the last 50 years the big, high-powered agricultural companies have taken over and driven the little guy to sell out. Big business controls the U.S. now and are we really living in a healthy form of capitalism or the end-game of extreme capitalism which is this corporate domination stuff? Everyone (including me) was critical of Obama for bailing out the “too big to fail” corporations but ironically the conservatives that are most critical of the bail-outs should blame the excessive conservatism that got just a few corporations so powerful that they can sink our economy…

I think the goal of distributism was noble actually…to give the means of production and wealth and capital to many, many people. But ultimately that’s not very realistic to do. It’s not socialism because the government doesn’t own the land, people would. But how would it be implimented? That’s the problem. It’s a touch pie-in-the-sky IMO. I’d much rather have a myriad small farmers and small businesses than these corrupt tycoons in corporations running our country but it’s the implimentation that would be a killer. There’s too much private property already owned. It would seem an almost Soviet-style collectivization would have to preceed the dolling out of the property to everyone later. So socialism would seem a temporary necessity before redistributing it all as private property in theory? Perhaps I’m wrong. I think distributism allows for several families or several folks in a community owning land together, etc. I’m no expert in the theory.

I’ll give Chesterton credit in that he seems consistent with Catholic thinking on property and economics, at least in line with popes like Leo XIII. I know Leo’s thinking on property seems similar to Chesterton’s.

I like the fact that the theory would bolster middle class prosperity, give land to more of the middle class, strengthen small business, and be a natural anti-trust type of deal but I don’t think I’d like the effect on unions it would have. It probably would eliminate social security, another government safeguard I value personally.

I personally would just like a blend of old fashioned Republican values (a la Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, and the gang) coupled with some government systems like social security and medicare as well as many of the government agencies we have now with modest cuts to many sectors of government that we either don’t need or don’t need to blow so much $$$ on. I’m happy to see Republican tea party congressmen stepping up and saying they’ll cut defense spending. Right on. About time.
No. That he worked for cause he believed in, and it contributed to his death. A cause I find unworthy, on its merits, but that he did not. His wife tried to moderate his activities, to no avail, be the merits what they might be.

That’s not the definition of a fool. Any more than his sedentary life style, heavy drinking and smoking, and obesity, which also contributed to his death, define a fool.

GKC
 
Maybe Chesterton was prophetic when he said “Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists.” If you look at the United States and its evolution it went from mom and pop stores and small businesses to the megaconglamorates and pseudo monopolies that Republicans so jealously defend these days. And of course big farmers get their subsidies, agrarian welfare I like to think of it, to make sure the big farms stay healthy and in control. In Central California, there used to be hundreds and hundreds of small farms but in the last 50 years the big, high-powered agricultural companies have taken over and driven the little guy to sell out. Big business controls the U.S. now and are we really living in a healthy form of capitalism or the end-game of extreme capitalism which is this corporate domination stuff? Everyone (including me) was critical of Obama for bailing out the “too big to fail” corporations but ironically the conservatives that are most critical of the bail-outs should blame the excessive conservatism that got just a few corporations so powerful that they can sink our economy…

I think the goal of distributism was noble actually…to give the means of production and wealth and capital to many, many people. But ultimately that’s not very realistic to do. It’s not socialism because the government doesn’t own the land, people would. But how would it be implimented? That’s the problem. It’s a touch pie-in-the-sky IMO. I’d much rather have a myriad small farmers and small businesses than these corrupt tycoons in corporations running our country but it’s the implimentation that would be a killer. There’s too much private property already owned. It would seem an almost Soviet-style collectivization would have to preceed the dolling out of the property to everyone later. So socialism would seem a temporary necessity before redistributing it all as private property in theory? Perhaps I’m wrong. I think distributism allows for several families or several folks in a community owning land together, etc. I’m no expert in the theory.

I’ll give Chesterton credit in that he seems consistent with Catholic thinking on property and economics, at least in line with popes like Leo XIII. I know Leo’s thinking on property seems similar to Chesterton’s.

I like the fact that the theory would bolster middle class prosperity, give land to more of the middle class, strengthen small business, and be a natural anti-trust type of deal but I don’t think I’d like the effect on unions it would have. It probably would eliminate social security, another government safeguard I value personally.

I personally would just like a blend of old fashioned Republican values (a la Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, and the gang) coupled with some government systems like social security and medicare as well as many of the government agencies we have now with modest cuts to many sectors of government that we either don’t need or don’t need to blow so much $$$ on. I’m happy to see Republican tea party congressmen stepping up and saying they’ll cut defense spending. Right on. About time.
Yes, distributism certainly seems compatible with Leo XIII’s thinking. He was Chesterton’s favorite Pope.

GKC
 
Well we know he must have concured with him about Apostolicae Curae! 😛
Yes, distributism certainly seems compatible with Leo XIII’s thinking. He was Chesterton’s favorite Pope.

GKC
 
Fisher who? 😛 Eddie Fisher? Fisher Price? The Fisher King? :confused:😃
Fisher Unwin. Formed by T. Fisher Unwin. Whose step-nephew, Stanley Unwin formed his own publishing house and, eventually, as George Allen & Unwin, published THE HOBBIT and LOTR.

GKC
 
Maybe Chesterton was prophetic when he said “Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists.” If you look at the United States and its evolution it went from mom and pop stores and small businesses to the megaconglamorates and pseudo monopolies that Republicans so jealously defend these days. And of course big farmers get their subsidies, agrarian welfare I like to think of it, to make sure the big farms stay healthy and in control. In Central California, there used to be hundreds and hundreds of small farms but in the last 50 years the big, high-powered agricultural companies have taken over and driven the little guy to sell out. Big business controls the U.S. now and are we really living in a healthy form of capitalism or the end-game of extreme capitalism which is this corporate domination stuff? Everyone (including me) was critical of Obama for bailing out the “too big to fail” corporations but ironically the conservatives that are most critical of the bail-outs should blame the excessive conservatism that got just a few corporations so powerful that they can sink our economy…

I think the goal of distributism was noble actually…to give the means of production and wealth and capital to many, many people. But ultimately that’s not very realistic to do. It’s not socialism because the government doesn’t own the land, people would. But how would it be implimented? That’s the problem. It’s a touch pie-in-the-sky IMO. I’d much rather have a myriad small farmers and small businesses than these corrupt tycoons in corporations running our country but it’s the implimentation that would be a killer. There’s too much private property already owned. It would seem an almost Soviet-style collectivization would have to preceed the dolling out of the property to everyone later. So socialism would seem a temporary necessity before redistributing it all as private property in theory? Perhaps I’m wrong. I think distributism allows for several families or several folks in a community owning land together, etc. I’m no expert in the theory.

I’ll give Chesterton credit in that he seems consistent with Catholic thinking on property and economics, at least in line with popes like Leo XIII. I know Leo’s thinking on property seems similar to Chesterton’s.

I like the fact that the theory would bolster middle class prosperity, give land to more of the middle class, strengthen small business, and be a natural anti-trust type of deal but I don’t think I’d like the effect on unions it would have. It probably would eliminate social security, another government safeguard I value personally.

I personally would just like a blend of old fashioned Republican values (a la Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, and the gang) coupled with some government systems like social security and medicare as well as many of the government agencies we have now with modest cuts to many sectors of government that we either don’t need or don’t need to blow so much $$$ on. I’m happy to see Republican tea party congressmen stepping up and saying they’ll cut defense spending. Right on. About time.
I was listening to a show on the radio recently about big ag buying up all the farm land, and then hiring the farmers to manage it for them. The % of the land just a few companies own is scary.

But if you think about it, it’s feudalism!

Co-operatives are indeed allowed in distributism. The area I live in was, and to some extent still is, a big player in the co-operative movement.
 
I was listening to a show on the radio recently about big ag buying up all the farm land, and then hiring the farmers to manage it for them. The % of the land just a few companies own is scary.

But if you think about it, it’s feudalism!

Co-operatives are indeed allowed in distributism. The area I live in was, and to some extent still is, a big player in the co-operative movement.
Sorry I live in the burbs I am clueless about all this. All we grow is tobacco anyway, and with smoking going down in this country, we have to ship it all to China anyway. They love the stuff. Oh we do have peanuts too, nevermind.
 
After watching my grandma die from lung cancer and strokes after a lifetime of smoking, I’m one of those “big government” BAN cigarettes kind of guys. The stuff is evil. Think of all the strokes, blood clots, heart disease, cancers, and other health destruction big tobacco causes for the healthcare industry. In California it’s against the law to smoke in restaurants or in public at all now. I just wish we’d ban the dang things. This isn’t the 16th century and Roanoke colony! 😛
Sorry I live in the burbs I am clueless about all this. All we grow is tobacco anyway, and with smoking going down in this country, we have to ship it all to China anyway. They love the stuff. Oh we do have peanuts too, nevermind.
 
After watching my grandma die from lung cancer and strokes after a lifetime of smoking, I’m one of those “big government” BAN cigarettes kind of guys. The stuff is evil. Think of all the strokes, blood clots, heart disease, cancers, and other health destruction big tobacco causes for the healthcare industry. In California it’s against the law to smoke in restaurants or in public at all now. I just wish we’d ban the dang things. This isn’t the 16th century and Roanoke colony! 😛
I quit just a short time ago and its the best thing I ever did. My mom is borderlining emphasima and is quitting. She already has her patches. My dad died from oral cancer due to dipping, and two of my grandparents died of lung cancer. Not a big fan of Tobacco either.

Oh Virginia, founded on Tobacco,now bans smoking in restraunts and in bars. Who would have thought that would have ever happened.
 
Good for you, John! That’s awesome. As a health care professional, you’re going to see a lot more of the carnage that big tobacco has left all over the place.

I’ve never smoked anything before and I rarely drink. I occasionally have some wine and every few years a beer. I’m just not into drinking. If you want to discuss drinking, please consult GKC! :D:eek:
I quit just a short time ago and its the best thing I ever did. My mom is borderlining emphasima and is quitting. She already has her patches. My dad died from oral cancer due to dipping, and two of my grandparents died of lung cancer. Not a big fan of Tobacco either.

Oh Virginia, founded on Tobacco,now bans smoking in restraunts and in bars. Who would have thought that would have ever happened.
 
Good for you, John! That’s awesome. As a health care professional, you’re going to see a lot more of the carnage that big tobacco has left all over the place.

I’ve never smoked anything before and I rarely drink. I occasionally have some wine and every few years a beer. I’m just not into drinking. If you want to discuss drinking, please consult GKC! :D:eek:
I have also not really smoked, apart from a very rare cigar. I do have some experience with spirits and beer, being a high Anglican and in the army.
 
I had a double-take when you said “high Anglican” LOL! I think next time I’d insert “Church” in there! 😛 If the marijuana legalization law had passed in California, there might have been some high Anglicans! 😃
I have also not really smoked, apart from a very rare cigar. I do have some experience with spirits and beer, being a high Anglican and in the army.
 
I had a double-take when you said “high Anglican” LOL! I think next time I’d insert “Church” in there! 😛 If the marijuana legalization law had passed in California, there might have been some high Anglicans! 😃
Tee Hee. Though I do know some high Anglicans.
 
They’re not from the Calvinist wing or the Anglo-Catholic contingent, they’re with the Rastafarian evangelical Anglican wing 😛
Philip K. Dick was an Episcopalian (in fact he wrote a novel which seems to be based on the life and death of Bishop Pike), and I think he was frequently high.

And my Anglo-Catholic/charismatic rector back in NC used to speak fondly of his days in college reading Plato and smoking pot. . . . (He left the Episcopal Church over Gene Robinson and started a small Continuing congregation, so don’t blame this on liberalism!)
 
Philip K. Dick was an Episcopalian (in fact he wrote a novel which seems to be based on the life and death of Bishop Pike), and I think he was frequently high.

And my Anglo-Catholic/charismatic rector back in NC used to speak fondly of his days in college reading Plato and smoking pot. . . . (He left the Episcopal Church over Gene Robinson and started a small Continuing congregation, so don’t blame this on liberalism!)
His last one:The Transmigration of Timothy Archer.

PKD almost drove me out of reading SF. If not high, he was frequently weird.

GKC
 
Oh boloney. Nothing could drive Jim from sci-fi or comics or anglophilia.😛
His last one:The Transmigration of Timothy Archer.

PKD almost drove me out of reading SF. If not high, he was frequently weird.

GKC
 
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