Anglican Church? Really confused.

[GKC]

For the record, I reread a lot of this and have concluded that my tone at times was rather smug. For that I sincerely apologize.

On the other hand, it IS hard to witness ones catholic faith appropriately in matters of contention such as this. I have no basis to be smug since none of catholic teaching is MY idea. In no way am I superior because I was graced enough to stumble across the Bride of Christ! Nonetheless, I am convinced of the truth of her claims. If that certainty offends some others, its not intended as an offense; it’s merely my conviction and one that I’d like others to experience the joy of!

Doesn’t offend me.

GKC

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

Good question. Of course, “heretical” is a flexible term within TEC. And generally the only thing that can get one univited from the Lambeth port fest is rampant and shameless orthodoxy, so, in that sense, Charlie’s is ok.

GKC

“Flexible” indeed. Gilbert Keith would be delighted by the (perhaps a bit sharp) wit in that comment.

Gerry

 

[GKC]

“Flexible” indeed. Gilbert Keith would be delighted by the (perhaps a bit sharp) wit in that comment.

Gerry

I thank you. I do try to follow my master.

GKC

 

[BrewMax]

He was a virual prisoner of the emperor is right, but the emperor hated King Henry and put enormous pressure on the pope to deny the annulment. What does the pope do when the Vatican is surrounded by the emperor’s army? Deny the annulment of course.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

I am not aware of ‘considerable confusion’ as you say, in Catholic teaching. There may be some differences of opinion among on some issues, where certain issues have not been defined de fide, but that is only healthy.

I’m not talking about those​

When it comes to the Canon of the Bible that was defined for us at the Council of Trent. The Book of Baruch 6 (The Epistle of Jeremiah) has always been recognized by the Church as an inspired work, whether it is part of 1 Baruch, or considered in itself.

Which is all very well, but does not solve the problem. Thanks anyway.​

Differences certainly can be healthy - but when the Church has engaged its authority as solemnly as it seems to have, it needs to explain how the Tridentine canon is not deficient for lacking books which non-Roman Catholics treat as Scripture. It’s probably irreverent to wonder whether the Holy Ghost changes His Mind on the limits of the canon according to which Church & Rite He attends - but if someone can’t explain how two different canons both reflect God’s Will, that doesn’t reflect well on its credibility; which matters, if it wants to be believed. If Three & Four Maccabees are inspired books, why are they not in the Roman canon of the Bible ? If they are not inspired - what are they doing in an Oriental canon ? Or is there some subtlety, detail or fact that one has not noticed ? If I wanted to put Rome in the wrong, I would not ask that last question - if there is no answer, why should I think it knows what it’s talking about ?

An interesting post, especially if coming from a Roman Catholic.

That’s right. It does​

I suspect that you may be more an “Anglican Catholic”, rather than a Roman Catholic. The world seems always to look to ‘experts’. However, you don’t reflect my living of the Christian life, and you claim to know that all Catholics

No - I did not say “all”; because I did not intend to. Nonetheless,there is a good deal of picking & choosing, by self-styled “true Catholics” as well as by those the “TCs” don’t approve of. Conclusion - we should be building one another up, instead of having these food fights.​

seem to be living in this cafeteria, where we pick and choose what we like. Christians have been doing this since the time of St. Paul, so you get no marks for saying we don’t live up to the ideal. Try not to be so universal in your opinions, and I will feel a lot better about what you have to say.

We never said we were better than anyone else, and in the U.S.A., I don’t see a lot of anti-Anglicanism going on.

If there is a thread that on Anglicanism that doesn’t attack it, I’d not be sorry to find it.​

My experience of Anglicans on this site is that they claim to know all about us, how we live, how we think, how we believe, and how we live the life of Christ present among us in the Catholic Church, that the reality does not live up to the ideal. The topic of this thread is the confusion existing in the Anglican Church. If they can’t figure out homosexuality, and sodomy as something against the Ten Commandments, where are they going? Pop your concerns there, on the topic. Their priesthood has no validity, and their Eucharist is of no value.

That’s the kind of thing I mean - Catholics never seem to say anything nice about Anglicanism: so we can hardly be surprised*** if*** they pay us back in our own coin.​

Why are we attacking ourselves, and you leading the charge? Your concern about whether Catholic believe that the Synod of Pisa was ecumenical or not is not a burning issue,

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and does not diminish our beliefs one iota.

Are you thinking of an OP ? I don’t think I’ve mentioned the Synod of Pisa on this thread.​

How about taking the high road?

Sorry, not understood​

Preach to us about living the sacramental life of the Church to the full. Tell us that our prayer life is wanting, that we spend not enough of our selves loving our neighbor as ourselves. Tell us how to meditate, and to read the Scriptures to find Christ. Move us towards our devotions to the Blessed Mother and the Saints, and how to aid our neighbors in need as the way to heaven. Show us how to be more involved when we are ‘standing around’ at the altar during the eternal Sacrifice. “Credo… in unam, sanctam, apostolicam Ecclesiam…”

Why ? It’s not for me to tell you things like that​

Today is our Feast Day. Let us rejoice in it, and enjoy.

maranatha

 

[GKC]

He was a virual prisoner of the emperor is right, but the emperor hated King Henry and put enormous pressure on the pope to deny the annulment. What does the pope do when the Vatican is surrounded by the emperor’s army? Deny the annulment of course.

Charles didn’t particularly hate Henry. He and Hank had done some campaigns together, and he almost wound up Henry’s son in law (which would have made for interesting history) . But he was Catherine’s nephew, and no one was going to dis his aunt.

GKC

 

[BrewMax]

Charles didn’t particularly hate Henry. He and Hank had done some campaigns together, and he almost wound up Henry’s son in law (which would have made for interesting history) . But he was Catherine’s nephew, and no one was going to dis his aunt.

GKC

interesting.

 

[GKC]

interesting.

I find Henry and all that crew very interesting indeed.

Charles even got a little miffed at Catherine, before it all was over.

GKC

 

[mgrfin]

I find Henry and all that crew very interesting indeed.

Charles even got a little miffed at Catherine, before it all was over.

GKC

You probably liked Peyton Place too.

At least Catherine didn’t lose her heaed. That would have solved Hank’s problem, and he could have even got married in the Catholic Church.

peace

 

[GKC]

You probably liked Peyton Place too.

At least Catherine didn’t lose her heaed. That would have solved Hank’s problem, and he could have even got married in the Catholic Church.

peace

Pfui on Peyton Place.

Or if she had taken the veil, one of Clement’s suggestions.

GKC

 

[mgrfin]

Or if she had taken the veil, one of Clement’s suggestions.

GKC

Taken the veil? Easy for Clement to say. Then, he could have declared the marriage null and void.

No, it wasn’t the religiosity of a nunnery that was Catherine’s problem. She was virtually dedicated to God anyway, and was another Teresa of Avila, as it were.

No, she had a conscience, and scruples. And for all time, people would know that he was married to Henry, and that she was the Queen of England.

The populace loved her; Henry was not loved, and became less so, after heads began to roll.

When I want to know how little I do for my Faith, I read the martyrdom of the English martyrs.

peace

 

[GKC]

Taken the veil? Easy for Clement to say. Then, he could have declared the marriage null and void.

No, it wasn’t the religiosity of a nunnery that was Catherine’s problem. She was virtually dedicated to God anyway, and was another Teresa of Avila, as it were.

No, she had a conscience, and scruples. And for all time, people would know that he was married to Henry, and that she was the Queen of England.

The populace loved her; Henry was not loved, and became less so, after heads began to roll.

When I want to know how little I do for my Faith, I read the martyrdom of the English martyrs.

peace

Of course easy for Clement to say. He was looking for an out. And if Catherine had taken the veil, Henry could remarry.

GKC