Anglican Ink article: Diversity, not Jesus, saves says Presiding Bishop

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“Looking for the reflection of God’s glory all around us means changing our lenses, or letting the scales on our eyes fall away. That kind of change isn’t easy for anyone, but it’s the only road to the kingdom of God.”

Yow! I pray that even the most bumbling of Lutheran pastors would halt before finishing that last sentence - even I can see the error in what she said.

I pray for our Anglican brothers, that they may be gided by good shepherds. Frankly, it’s a prayer for all of us.
 
The
fact that she is a female bishop is already heretical in itself. Now
she goes one step further and teaches false doctrines!

Remember the warning that John gave us : "who is the antichrist?“it is
he that denies that Jesus is the son of God and has come in the flesh”

Another warning was that we must beware of those coming in the name of
Christ but teach the doctrines of demons.

Finally I know what these scriptures look like. Sadly they have been
personified in this “bishop”
 
Women can be valid ministers in any religion…

…said Jesus never
 
We’ve been having fun with this link, on another board. The gracious Katherine is a hoot.

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Anglicanus-Catholicus
 
jwinch2 said:
Moderators, I put this in “non-Catholic Religions” for obvious reasons. However, since it is a news article, if you would rather it be in “Catholic News” I am happy to put it there instead.

anglicanink.com/article/diversity-not-jesus-saves-says-presiding-bishop#.UZp43NrKnS8.facebook

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Wow. Just wow.
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And what’s your point of alerting us to the article?
Anglicans/Episcopals have many different groups both conservative and liberal. They certainly do not represent ALL Anglicans.
Just like certain groups don’t represent ALL Catholic tradtionalists.
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She very nearly came out with an admission that she thinks christianity is a bunch of superstitious malarky and that she’s only in TEC to change it into something “better.”

It’s fundamentally dishonest and repulsive. If you think you’ve got a better way, start your own church. On the other hand, it worked for Henry VIII, so the precedent isn’t entirely novel, is it?
 
She’s a heretic for pretending to be ordained as is, so why should we be surprised by a heretic spouting heresies? I only hope they kick her out and no one listens to her nonsense.

…In reading it further, this woman is nuts, how in God’s name did she make it to the Anglican Bishop?
 
jwinch2 said:
Moderators, I put this in “non-Catholic Religions” for obvious reasons. However, since it is a news article, if you would rather it be in “Catholic News” I am happy to put it there instead.

anglicanink.com/article/diversity-not-jesus-saves-says-presiding-bishop#.UZp43NrKnS8.facebook

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Wow. Just wow.
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Having read the article, it seems to me she is making an argument in favor of diversity and accepting others who are different from ourselves. You may disagree with her inclusive stance regarding practicing homosexuals or her interpretation of the passage from Acts that she discusses; however, she appears to be saying, not that Jesus does not save, but that faith in Jesus without works, in this case meaning love for our neighbor, whoever s/he may be, gay or straight, a member of our own culture or a slave (i.e. foreigner), is necessary for Jesus’ sacrifice to take on renewed meaning in our own lives. I’m not so sure this is very different from Catholic teaching.
 
manualman said:
If you think you’ve got a better way, start your own church. On the other hand, it worked for Henry VIII, so the precedent isn’t entirely novel, is it?
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What it shows me is the truth of the old adage of “once the camel’s nose is under the tent, the body will follow”. Once you give on anything related to truth, this is the path you are headed down. It may take hundreds of years, but you will keep picking up speed over time until you are at the point that what you teach and believe is not even remotely recognizable to those who came before you.
 
meltzerboy said:
Having read the article, it seems to me she is making an argument in favor of diversity and accepting others who are different from ourselves. You may disagree with her inclusive stance regarding practicing homosexuals or her interpretation of the passage from Acts that she discusses; however, she appears to be saying, not that Jesus does not save, but that faith in Jesus without works, in this case meaning love for our neighbor, whoever s/he may be, gay or straight, a member of our own culture or a slave (i.e. foreigner), is necessary for Jesus’ sacrifice to take on renewed meaning in our own lives. I’m not so sure this is very different from Catholic teaching.
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There are portions of the article that can be taken that way if you really try hard. But the sum total of the article is NOT one of reminding people not to settle for “faith alone” but to reject the very idea that humans need an infusion of supernatural Grace in order to overcome our sinfulness. That’s where she undeniably jumps the tracks of christianity and declares herself to be something other. She affirms that it must be a struggle of human will and explicitly repudiates the role God play in transforming us. That’s presumption, not faith. It’s the antithesis of faith.
 
meltzerboy said:
Having read the article, it seems to me she is making an argument in favor of diversity and accepting others who are different from ourselves. You may disagree with her inclusive stance regarding practicing homosexuals or her interpretation of the passage from Acts that she discusses; however, she appears to be saying, not that Jesus does not save, but that faith in Jesus without works, in this case meaning love for our neighbor, whoever s/he may be, gay or straight, a member of our own culture or a slave (i.e. foreigner), is necessary for Jesus’ sacrifice to take on renewed meaning in our own lives. I’m not so sure this is very different from Catholic teaching.
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If you were to present her semon to me before I became Christian, I would agree with you 100%. On the face of it, it looks like the sermon is a ‘love you weird neighbors’ - but what’s really going on: it’s under the surface where the trouble lies.

You have to look close, but what’s she doing is replacing Christ on the Cross with a set of behaviours. We may agree or disagree with those behaviours, but in Christian theology - nothing replaces Christ of the Cross.
 
She is the next John Shelby Spong. I will bet a dollar that she publicly denies the divinity of Christ at some point.
 
Commenting on Acts 16 where Paul casts the spirit out of the slave girl…
She’s telling the same truth Paul and others claim for themselves.[1] But Paul is annoyed, perhaps for being put in his place, and he responds by depriving her of her gift of spiritual awareness. Paul can’t abide something he won’t see as beautiful or holy, so he tries to destroy it.
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:eek::confused::eek:

There really is nothing left to say.
 
I am convinced that she is possessed by a demon. I wonder what our Anglican fathers would think of this.
 
meltzerboy said:
Having read the article, it seems to me she is making an argument in favor of diversity and accepting others who are different from ourselves. You may disagree with her inclusive stance regarding practicing homosexuals or her interpretation of the passage from Acts that she discusses; however, she appears to be saying, not that Jesus does not save, but that faith in Jesus without works, in this case meaning love for our neighbor, whoever s/he may be, gay or straight, a member of our own culture or a slave (i.e. foreigner), is necessary for Jesus’ sacrifice to take on renewed meaning in our own lives. I’m not so sure this is very different from Catholic teaching.
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There’s something quite ironic that a Jew would understand what the presiding bishop is saying and the quite evident Gospel in her homily.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
There’s something quite ironic that a Jew would understand what the presiding bishop is saying and the quite evident Gospel in her homily.
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I’m sort of shocked by her biblical interpretation. She burns Paul for casting out a demon possessing a girl, but skips right over the girl’s slave masters who were using and abusing her.

It’s like a Freudian slip. She and people who believe like her have no problem with spiritual slavery and bondage, because they have been blinded by conformity to the world. They cannot see that what everyone proclaims as a “spiritual gift” is actually spiritual captivity. It is those people like Paul, who have the spiritual insight to see things for what they are that are thrown into prison and labeled as bigots and trouble makers.
 
meltzerboy said:
Having read the article, it seems to me she is making an argument in favor of diversity and accepting others who are different from ourselves. You may disagree with her inclusive stance regarding practicing homosexuals or her interpretation of the passage from Acts that she discusses; however, she appears to be saying, not that Jesus does not save, but that faith in Jesus without works, in this case meaning love for our neighbor, whoever s/he may be, gay or straight, a member of our own culture or a slave (i.e. foreigner), is necessary for Jesus’ sacrifice to take on renewed meaning in our own lives. I’m not so sure this is very different from Catholic teaching.
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I don’t know how similar or different it may be from Roman Catholic teaching and can’t speak to that. But I love the inclusiveness shown. As an Episcopal priest explained her particular congregation to me, we may not have a rainbow flag flying out front, but we are okay with people being who they are. And families have differences but despite differences can still come together to worship Christ as part of the same family. I love that thinking.
 
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