Anglican Ink article: Diversity, not Jesus, saves says Presiding Bishop

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ltwin said:
I’m sort of shocked by her biblical interpretation. She burns Paul for casting out a demon possessing a girl, but skips right over the girl’s slave masters who were using and abusing her.

It’s like a Freudian slip. She and people who believe like her have no problem with spiritual slavery and bondage, because they have been blinded by conformity to the world. They cannot see that what everyone proclaims as a “spiritual gift” is actually spiritual captivity. It is those people like Paul, who have the spiritual insight to see things for what they are that are thrown into prison and labeled as bigots and trouble makers.
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Very wise and very well put!
 
Why should I or anyone take the anglican/Episcopal church seriously anymore? Why does any decent conservative Anglican stay in communion with people who deny the faith? There is no excuse for this staying with these people, its like saying we should have remained in communion with the Arrians because of love and the hope to change them.

In twenty years the anglican church will not be the same entity.
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
Why should I or anyone take the anglican/Episcopal church seriously anymore? Why does any decent conservative Anglican stay in communion with people who deny the faith? There is no excuse for this staying with these people, its like saying we should have remained in communion with the Arrians because of love and the hope to change them.

In twenty years the anglican church will not be the same entity.
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Not all Anglicans are in communion with official Anglicanism.

GKC
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
Why should I or anyone take the anglican/Episcopal church seriously anymore? Why does any decent conservative Anglican stay in communion with people who deny the faith? There is no excuse for this staying with these people, its like saying we should have remained in communion with the Arrians because of love and the hope to change them.

In twenty years the anglican church will not be the same entity.
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If the official Greek Orthodox Church apostasized like the Episcopal Church, and splinter groups showed up that remained true to Orthodox doctrine, wouldn’t you join or remain with others who have like thinking first?
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
Why should I or anyone take the anglican/Episcopal church seriously anymore? Why does any decent conservative Anglican stay in communion with people who deny the faith? There is no excuse for this staying with these people, its like saying we should have remained in communion with the Arrians because of love and the hope to change them.

In twenty years the anglican church will not be the same entity.
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So what do we do then? I can’t stand the PC leadership of the western official Anglican churches either, but it’s because they’re not true to the Anglican faith. Yes, many are apostate, but where are we supposed to go? If there was credible Continuing Anglican diocese where I lived I would join it. But there is not. There is however a number of orthodox C of E parishes, and we are under alternative episcopal oversight. Yes it is not ideal. But it’s the best we can do under the circumstances.
 
meltzerboy said:
Having read the article, it seems to me she is making an argument in favor of diversity and accepting others who are different from ourselves. You may disagree with her inclusive stance regarding practicing homosexuals or her interpretation of the passage from Acts that she discusses; however, she appears to be saying, not that Jesus does not save, but that faith in Jesus without works, in this case meaning love for our neighbor, whoever s/he may be, gay or straight, a member of our own culture or a slave (i.e. foreigner), is necessary for Jesus’ sacrifice to take on renewed meaning in our own lives. I’m not so sure this is very different from Catholic teaching.
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Even in a world where Jesus exhorted us to “love our neighbor” in an emotive sense (which would be an utterly barbaric religion), “diversity” doesn’t equal “love your neighbor.”

What is interesting in Schori’s words, as with the new Anglican primate Abp. Welby, is that there is no real sense that Christianity ought to be taken seriously on its own terms. Instead Christianity is only useful to the extent that it can be deformed into a blunt object to be wielded in the service of our degenerate zeitgeist.

False teachers and false prophets, the lot of 'em!
 
GKC said:
Not all Anglicans are in communion with official Anglicanism.

GKC
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And what is official Anglicanism? Is there such a thing? From what I’ve heard from an ex Anglican priest, that does not exist.

I’m not at all surprised by this story, it just shows the logical consequences of protestantism. Anything goes as long as you are convincing enough in interpreting the Bible.
 
Contra_Mundum said:
And what is official Anglicanism? Is there such a thing? From what I’ve heard from an ex Anglican priest, that does not exist.

I’m not at all surprised by this story, it just shows the logical consequences of protestantism. Anything goes as long as you are convincing enough in interpreting the Bible.
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Your ex-Anglican priest has a point. There is no such thing as official Anglicanism with respect to doctrine. But there is official Anglicanism with respect to organization. I was referring to the world-wide Anglican Communion, defined as those national, self-governing Anglican jurisdictions that are in communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury, under that official title. The Episcopal Church, in the US, is one such jurisdiction. And there are Anglicans who have separated from the Anglican Communion, for reasons such as the gracious Katherine amply demonstrates. In this country, such Anglicans are loosely grouped under the term Continuing Anglicans, or the Continuum, and are also found in the slightly different group labelled the Anglican Church in North America.

It has been a while since I used the term, so, I’ll point out that Anglicans are a motley crew.

GKC
 
Indifferently said:
So what do we do then? I can’t stand the PC leadership of the western official Anglican churches either, but it’s because they’re not true to the Anglican faith. Yes, many are apostate, but where are we supposed to go? If there was credible Continuing Anglican diocese where I lived I would join it. But there is not. There is however a number of orthodox C of E parishes, and we are under alternative episcopal oversight. Yes it is not ideal. But it’s the best we can do under the circumstances.
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When you ask this question, in this venue, I can almost guarantee the likely answer.

GKC
 
GKC said:
If the answer had been harder to anticipate, I’d applaud myself more.

GKC
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Congratulations on your 8.000th post. Based on another recent thread, you’re officially 80% of the way to sainthood.
 
aemcpa said:
Congratulations on your 8.000th post. Based on another recent thread, you’re officially 80% of the way to sainthood.
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Thank you, for both observations. I had just noticed my post total, but had no idea what that might imply.

GKC
 
Indifferently said:
Yes, many are apostate, but where are we supposed to go? If there was credible Continuing Anglican diocese where I lived I would join it. But there is not.
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Pope Benedict organised a nice little initiative so people can find their true home 😉
 
GKC said:
Your ex-Anglican priest has a point. There is no such thing as official Anglicanism with respect to doctrine. But there is official Anglicanism with respect to organization.
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The ex Anglican priest said that the organisation is just an umbrella term for a variety of options on how to interpret Anglicanism. He thought it was a desperate attempt to keep these groups together under the same name, even if it was just an illusion of unity. He left when he realised that what Anglicans believe is based on lobbying and pressure groups. Unity of doctrine is crucial. That is why despite a bit of craziness in the CC we will not end up in the same situation.
 
Contra_Mundum said:
The ex Anglican priest said that the organisation is just an umbrella term for a variety of options on how to interpret Anglicanism. He thought it was a desperate attempt to keep these groups together under the same name, even if it was just an illusion of unity. He left when he realised that what Anglicans believe is based on lobbying and pressure groups. Unity of doctrine is crucial. That is why despite a bit of craziness in the CC we will not end up in the same situation.
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The Communion, indeed Anglicanism, has long been an exercise in how to interpret same, since the days of the Elizabethan Compromise . Still is. But official Anglicanism, organizationally, is the Anglican Communion.

GKC
 
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