Anglican leaders prepare new drive to approve women bishops

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Having been thwarted last year when a major push for this was made, it looks like they are going forward again with this initiative. Unfortunately, the more that these kinds of decisions are made, the further that Anglicans get away from the Apostolic Faith, and the less able we are to establish common ground. Mainline Protestantism is not what it was 50 years ago when Unitatis Redintegratio was written. We are, in reality, probably further away from each other in many ways then we were at that time. In the 1960’s we agreed far more on moral issues and doctrinal issues then we do today. That the Church of England would have been supportive of things such as woman’s ordination, gay marriage, abortion, etc. would have come to a shock to most Anglicans 50 years ago.

Orthodoxy is having the same problems in their attempt to establish common ground with Anglicans. blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100209298/russian-orthodox-tell-archbishop-of-canterbury-ordain-women-bishops-and-you-can-forget-about-unity/

I am hopeful that the faithful among the Church of England rise up again and stop this effort from going forward, but to me, it seems only a matter of time until this is reality. Woman “bishops” already exist in some areas of Anglicanism, and I don’t expect the remainder to hold out forever.
 
Sure is a range of Anglican flavors available.

GKC

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GKC said:
Sure is a range of Anglican flavors available.

GKC

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it will strengthen the ACNA, but at the cost of conservative voices in the anglican communion.
 
jwinch2 said:
huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/25/church-of-england-unveils-plan-for-women-bishops-in-2015_n_3337907.html?utm_hp_ref=religion
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=17985

Having been thwarted last year when a major push for this was made, it looks like they are going forward again with this initiative. Unfortunately, the more that these kinds of decisions are made, the further that Anglicans get away from the Apostolic Faith, and the less able we are to establish common ground. Mainline Protestantism is not what it was 50 years ago when Unitatis Redintegratio was written. We are, in reality, probably further away from each other in many ways then we were at that time. In the 1960’s we agreed far more on moral issues and doctrinal issues then we do today. That the Church of England would have been supportive of things such as woman’s ordination, gay marriage, abortion, etc. would have come to a shock to most Anglicans 50 years ago.

Orthodoxy is having the same problems in their attempt to establish common ground with Anglicans. blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100209298/russian-orthodox-tell-archbishop-of-canterbury-ordain-women-bishops-and-you-can-forget-about-unity/

I am hopeful that the faithful among the Church of England rise up again and stop this effort from going forward, but to me, it seems only a matter of time until this is reality. Woman “bishops” already exist in some areas of Anglicanism, and I don’t expect the remainder to hold out forever.
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In the days when Pope Paul VI and Michael Ramsey were speaking as brothers in Christ, and the Anglican-Roman Catholic International Commission was established, back in 1969, things were indeed different, in Anglicanism, generally. Prospects were looking good for some mutual understandings, with perhaps some progress from there.

Now, not so much.

GKC
 
GKC and other Anglicans, you have my prayers. I imagine that it would be frustrating to marvel in an almost perfect church, yet see it suffer under the weight of all the debris of modernity.
 
“reality” and “opportunity” for the holy Church.
 
jwinch2 said:
huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/25/church-of-england-unveils-plan-for-women-bishops-in-2015_n_3337907.html?utm_hp_ref=religion
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=17985

Having been thwarted last year when a major push for this was made, it looks like they are going forward again with this initiative. Unfortunately, the more that these kinds of decisions are made, the further that Anglicans get away from the Apostolic Faith, and the less able we are to establish common ground. Mainline Protestantism is not what it was 50 years ago when Unitatis Redintegratio was written. We are, in reality, probably further away from each other in many ways then we were at that time. In the 1960’s we agreed far more on moral issues and doctrinal issues then we do today. That the Church of England would have been supportive of things such as woman’s ordination, gay marriage, abortion, etc. would have come to a shock to most Anglicans 50 years ago.

Orthodoxy is having the same problems in their attempt to establish common ground with Anglicans. blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100209298/russian-orthodox-tell-archbishop-of-canterbury-ordain-women-bishops-and-you-can-forget-about-unity/

I am hopeful that the faithful among the Church of England rise up again and stop this effort from going forward, but to me, it seems only a matter of time until this is reality. Woman “bishops” already exist in some areas of Anglicanism, and I don’t expect the remainder to hold out forever.
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There are many that believe this to be a good thing. Another poster commenced this thread…believing it is a good thing…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=790745

**Catholic woman ordained in Lutheran Church **

and after posting stated…
I firmly believe that the Church of Rome will eventually ordain women priests.
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It would be worthwhile to see that these thoughts are common in the world.🙂
 
EvangelCatholic said:
“reality” and “opportunity” for the holy Church.
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It was you that posted that thread about Women becoming priests…and also this thread…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=791102
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Catholic Countries that support gay marriage
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and you state…
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It is very telling that Hispanic Catholics are embracing civil marriage rights for homosexuals. The very continent that our Pope is from. Very encouraging signs.
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You find women becoming priests, which they are not, women becoming bishops in the Anglican community and same sex marriage reality & encouraging signs and an opportunity for what?
 
This may be a blessing in disguise. Those who are on the fence about coming into communion with Rome or the Orthodox Church would probably make that jump once this goes into fruition. And those who would accept this with open arms never wanted union with either Rome or Orthodoxy in the first place, so it is not a loss.
 
ConstantineTG said:
This may be a blessing in disguise. Those who are on the fence about coming into communion with Rome or the Orthodox Church would probably make that jump once this goes into fruition. And those who would accept this with open arms never wanted union with either Rome or Orthodoxy in the first place, so it is not a loss.
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Strongly challenge any notion of antipathy. Lutherans applauded & sought counsel from Benedict. Francis is liked universally.
 
ConstantineTG said:
This may be a blessing in disguise. Those who are on the fence about coming into communion with Rome or the Orthodox Church would probably make that jump once this goes into fruition. And those who would accept this with open arms never wanted union with either Rome or Orthodoxy in the first place, so it is not a loss.
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I would not go so far as to say it is a blessing, but I agree with your general premise.

In reality, at this point, the best bet in my view of any sort of reunion with Anglicans is to bring as many of them as we can into the Apostolic Churches, through the Pastoral Provision put in place by Pope John Paul II, the Anglican Ordinariates put in place by Benedict XVI, or through the Western Rite Vicariates in Orthodoxy. Obviously, as I am Catholic, I would prefer to see them become Catholic, in particular since that is the door they walked out of in the first place. However, if push comes to shove, I would rather see them in Orthodoxy then where they are at now. At least there would be consistent moral teaching and a valid priesthood through which they could receive the grace which comes from the sacraments. I have some hope for the establishment of communion down the road with Orthodoxy, but little for doing so with Protestants.
 
jwinch2 said:
I would not go so far as to say it is a blessing, but I agree with your general premise.

In reality, at this point, the best bet in my view of any sort of reunion with Anglicans is to bring as many of them as we can into the Apostolic Churches, through the Pastoral Provision put in place by Pope John Paul II, the Anglican Ordinariates put in place by Benedict XVI, or through the Western Rite Vicariates in Orthodoxy. Obviously, as I am Catholic, I would prefer to see them become Catholic, in particular since that is the door they walked out of in the first place. However, if push comes to shove, I would rather see them in Orthodoxy then where they are at now. At least there would be consistent moral teaching and a valid priesthood through which they could receive the grace which comes from the sacraments. I have some hope for the establishment of communion down the road with Orthodoxy, but little for doing so with Protestants.
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My priest himself left the Anglican Church (he was an Anglican priest) because of their liberalism. This is a blessing for those who really want to follow the truth but for many reasons choose to stay where they are. Sometimes we just need that proverbial “kick in the rear-end” to get us going to where God wants us to be. Often when we are in a sinking ship, we still hold out hope that it won’t go all the way under until we are made to realize how big the hole is and how much water is coming in.
 
i do not approve of this. it is not the position women are to take in the church. however, with dwindling numbers of men taking the vocation something must change. my personal opinion in this regard is that we allow priest the option of marriage as they used to have. this option was only removed so that priest’s “property” reverted back to the church and not to their heirs.
 
benjohnson said:
GKC and other Anglicans, you have my prayers. I imagine that it would be frustrating to marvel in an almost perfect church, yet see it suffer under the weight of all the debris of modernity.
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I thank you. I am not, of course, in communion with any of these sorts of Anglican oddities, but I appreciate the thought.

GKC

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I think of Anglicanism as Western, meaning the Canterbury in the UK, Episcopal Church USA & Anglican Church in Canada and then the rest of the World including the new Anglican bodies in North America such as ACNA.

Western Anglicanism is lost and largely heretical. As a result they are entering their final few decades of existence.

The remainder of the Anglicans in the world are Bible believing and orthodox (generally speaking).

Anyone still in Western Anglicanism has compromised to the degree that they are willing to put up with any innovation which comes along.

I heard a rumor the rest of the world’s Anglicans will soon vote a new head of the Communion than Canterbury in order to get it back on track. Not sure how realistic that is.
 
donna369 said:
i do not approve of this. it is not the position women are to take in the church. however, with dwindling numbers of men taking the vocation something must change. my personal opinion in this regard is that we allow priest the option of marriage as they used to have. this option was only removed so that priest’s “property” reverted back to the church and not to their heirs.
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That’s a new one to me, where did you get this information??? God Bless. Memaw
 
Memaw said:
That’s a new one to me, where did you get this information??? God Bless. Memaw
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😃 i love having these little tidbits of trivia. i heard this a long time ago and just searched for it for you:)
this is just one site that gave a pretty straightforward set of answers to why priests can’t marry, informing you of the fact that they did indeed used to be allowed to:
**wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_aren%27t_Catholic_priests_allowed_to_marry
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here is just one of the explanations:
**Answer
In the early days of the Catholic Church, the leaders ended the practice of priests marrying in order to stop the property, money and land of the church from being “inherited” away from the church. That is, from priests leaving money and land to wives and children when they died. If a priest was never married, then he had no family to leave anything to, therefore all the wealth accumulated by the church would stay in the Church. **
and
**Priests were allowed to marry during the 1st century and after only when the catholic church wanted to change this tradition while the orthodox church wanted to keep around 1054 AD this was one of the issues that caused the schism between the orthodox and catholic church.

It can be seen from two aspects - Political and Religious:

Political - the bishop of Rome as he was called then did not want the priests family inheriting his wealth so by letting priests not get married this was solved.

Religious - that the priest is married to the Church, and should be at her disposal at all times.
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theres much more to see if you care to look
 
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