Anglican leaders prepare new drive to approve women bishops

[IgnatianPhilo]

You may be right, and I have only the smallest bet on one horse in this race, but it may be fair to say that the two moves wouldn’t be quite “in the same way”. The Church of England sees the Creeds as fundamental, but the role of women is not quite so certain biblically (in the view of the pontifical biblical commission) or historically (in the view of some theologians). So perhaps an ingestion of charity would be your best way forward.

With churches like Saint Mathews here in New Zealand Auckland that deny creeds have any value its hard for me to keep a bright look at anglicanism if this is the case in even one church that has not at all been reprimanded or condemned.

 

[SteveVH]

Women deacons were Never Ordained!!! And never will be. What you fail to understand about the Catholic Church is that Pope John Paul II declared it infallibly that only males will ever be ordained in the Catholic Church and that’s the way it’s been for over 2,000 years… Other denominations do whatever they want but that doesn’t affect the teachings of the Catholic Church. We do pray for full unity, as Jesus himself prayed for, but will never go against the 2,000 year teachings of the Catholic Church. Jesus instituted one and one only Catholic Christian Church. There are well over 40,000 other denominations, all founded by a man or woman, that all seem to differ with each other on very important matters. For me, I’m gonna stay with the one Jesus founded. God Bless, Memaw

The so-called “women deacons” were not ordained ministers of the Church. The purpose they served was to help dress and undress female converts at their Baptism.

 

[mayogirl25]

Women deacons were Never Ordained!!! And never will be. What you fail to understand about the Catholic Church is that Pope John Paul II declared it infallibly that only males will ever be ordained in the Catholic Church and that’s the way it’s been for over 2,000 years… Other denominations do whatever they want but that doesn’t affect the teachings of the Catholic Church. We do pray for full unity, as Jesus himself prayed for, but will never go against the 2,000 year teachings of the Catholic Church. Jesus instituted one and one only Catholic Christian Church. There are well over 40,000 other denominations, all founded by a man or woman, that all seem to differ with each other on very important matters. For me, I’m gonna stay with the one Jesus founded. God Bless, Memaw

Couldn’t say it better myself. I would dearly love women to be ordained Catholic priests but know it won’t happen in my lifetime and as a strong RC will abide by the Church teaching and that is the way it is. My Catholic religion was founded by Jesus Christ when he said to Peter Upon this rock…, etc. All those other religions founded by man can do what they want it just doesn’t count at the end of the day. Just wish they would come home.

 

[Picky_Picky]

Couldn’t say it better myself. I would dearly love women to be ordained Catholic priests but know it won’t happen in my lifetime and as a strong RC will abide by the Church teaching and that is the way it is. My Catholic religion was founded by Jesus Christ when he said to Peter Upon this rock…, etc. All those other religions founded by man can do what they want it just doesn’t count at the end of the day. Just wish they would come home.

Of course you are absolutely right and any Roman Catholic should believe, or at the very least make every effort to believe, as you do. Equally, of course, other denominations cannot be expected to be bound by the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church – they can do as they want, as you say. You will think them wrong, and as a Roman Catholic that is absolutely the appropriate response. Those commenters here who might be thought to display a lack of charity in their dismissal of Anglican views, however, would equally be advised to study the words and actions of the leaders of their church, which seem to me to display a more brotherly or sisterly approach to their fellow Christians rather than quite so dismissive an attitude.

 

[Nicea325]

Couldn’t say it better myself. I would dearly love women to be ordained Catholic priests but know it won’t happen in my lifetime and as a strong RC will abide by the Church teaching and that is the way it is. My Catholic religion was founded by Jesus Christ when he said to Peter Upon this rock…, etc. All those other religions founded by man can do what they want it just doesn’t count at the end of the day. Just wish they would come home.

More important, it has nothing to do about giving women an opportunity or their right, God only calls men to be ordained priest. Equally important, theologically cannot happen because men stand in place of Christ, persona Christi. Women are not men…period! A common argument I hear even from liberal female Catholics is that Jesus lived in the first century and women were silent and had no say in any matters. Ah no! Jesus is GOD and never changes or is old fashioned. As Hebrews 13:8 states:

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Meaning what? He is the never-changing Eternal God.

 

[Memaw]

Couldn’t say it better myself. I would dearly love women to be ordained Catholic priests but know it won’t happen in my lifetime and as a strong RC will abide by the Church teaching and that is the way it is. My Catholic religion was founded by Jesus Christ when he said to Peter Upon this rock…, etc. All those other religions founded by man can do what they want it just doesn’t count at the end of the day. Just wish they would come home.

It won’t happen in anybody’s lifetime. We pray for Unity as Christ prayed for. God Bless, Memaw

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

It would be one thing if these anglican leaders could produce some kind of precedent. Female deacons don’t really count because their main function (their sole function as it were) was the education and baptism of women.

 

[Picky_Picky]

I’m not familiar with his arguments on that. Certainly there were deaconesses, but they weren’t the same thing as a female deacon.

And “However, female deacons did not have the same duties or role as a male deacon. If I am correct, most were in administrative positions,not pastoral roles.” says Nicea325

And “It would be one thing if these anglican leaders could produce some kind of precedent. Female deacons don’t really count because their main function (their sole function as it were) was the education and baptism of women.” says Ignatian Philo.

Leaving out the grammatical or morphological issues around whether the Greek gender inflexions imply a different status, we gather that women deacons educated women and prepared them for baptism, and men deacons, therefore, educated men and prepared them for baptism. So far so much the same. Then perhaps (“most”) women were in (undefined) administrative rather than pastoral roles, (although that could be a distinction without a difference).

I’ve asked before without success for someone to point me to the evidence, rather than simply the assertions, that the roles of male and female deacons were different in nature in the early church. Can anyone help? I would be grateful.

 

[ChurchSoldier]

And “However, female deacons did not have the same duties or role as a male deacon. If I am correct, most were in administrative positions,not pastoral roles.” says Nicea325

And “It would be one thing if these anglican leaders could produce some kind of precedent. Female deacons don’t really count because their main function (their sole function as it were) was the education and baptism of women.” says Ignatian Philo.

Leaving out the grammatical or morphological issues around whether the Greek gender inflexions imply a different status, we gather that women deacons educated women and prepared them for baptism, and men deacons, therefore, educated men and prepared them for baptism. So far so much the same. Then perhaps (“most”) women were in (undefined) administrative rather than pastoral roles, (although that could be a distinction without a difference).

I’ve asked before without success for someone to point me to the evidence, rather than simply the assertions, that the roles of male and female deacons were different in nature in the early church. Can anyone help? I would be grateful.

Try here.

 

[Picky_Picky]

Try here.

Thank you for this. That’s helpful.