Anglican Ordinariate, Lutherans, and Protestant Reunion

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Catholics getting the protestants back is sort of unrealistic. Just saying. We cannot accomadate them theolgically. They must join us. We can have Anglican Use, and a spiffy idea I came up with what I call Lutheran Use:nerd:. All who broke from the Anglicans would use Anglican Use, while German protestants would use Lutheran Use (can I trademark this?).

And on an unrealated note, i got my prayer rope made by monks on mt athos!😃
 
Catholics getting the protestants back is sort of unrealistic. Just saying. We cannot accomadate them theolgically. They must join us. We can have Anglican Use, and a spiffy idea I came up with what I call Lutheran Use:nerd:. All who broke from the Anglicans would use Anglican Use, while German protestants would use Lutheran Use (can I trademark this?).

And on an unrealated note, i got my prayer rope made by monks on mt athos!😃
There are some Lutherans who are being received into the Catholic Church, via the Anglican Ordinary set up by PB16. To be honest, there aren’t that many significant differences between a traditional Anglican service, and a traditional Lutheran one. Unless you really knew the rubrics, one would be hard pressed to say anything other than that they were simply using different Mass settings. 😃
 
There are some Lutherans who are being received into the Catholic Church, via the Anglican Ordinary set up by PB16. To be honest, there aren’t that many significant differences between a traditional Anglican service, and a traditional Lutheran one. Unless you really knew the rubrics, one would be hard pressed to say anything other than that they were simply using different Mass settings. 😃
The problem with the idea of a Lutheran use is that the distinctives of the Lutheran Divine Liturgy are unacceptable. Luther removed the eucharistic prayer and other sections that contained the idea of sacrifice, and to this day you will find no prayers at all surrounding the consecration in traditional Lutheran liturgies. This is a deviation from every ancient liturgy, and simply could not be used by a Catholic or Orthodox Church.
 
The problem with the idea of a Lutheran use is that the distinctives of the Lutheran Divine Liturgy are unacceptable. Luther removed the eucharistic prayer and other sections that contained the idea of sacrifice, and to this day you will find no prayers at all surrounding the consecration in traditional Lutheran liturgies. This is a deviation from every ancient liturgy, and simply could not be used by a Catholic or Orthodox Church.
The Catholic Church makes the appropriate corrections to ensure the Liturgies follow the correct theology of the Church. The Anglican Use received such treatment. If there will be a “Lutheran Use”, I’m pretty sure the corrections will be done as well.
 
The Catholic Church makes the appropriate corrections to ensure the Liturgies follow the correct theology of the Church. The Anglican Use received such treatment. If there will be a “Lutheran Use”, I’m pretty sure the corrections will be done as well.
In that case it would just be the Roman Rite again.
 
In that case it would just be the Roman Rite again.
Most likely. Or they could allowed to join in via the Anglican Ordinary, as an Anglican and Lutheran liturgical uses are practically the same.
 
There are some Lutherans who are being received into the Catholic Church, via the Anglican Ordinary set up by PB16. To be honest, there aren’t that many significant differences between a traditional Anglican service, and a traditional Lutheran one. Unless you really knew the rubrics, one would be hard pressed to say anything other than that they were simply using different Mass settings. 😃
Really? Thanks.
 
Why would Lutherans need their own rite? The new ones should just join the Roman rite. A traditional Lutheran service isn’t too different from a Mass in the Roman rite. They just don’t have the incense. :highprayer::highprayer:
 
Why would Lutherans need their own rite? The new ones should just join the Roman rite. A traditional Lutheran service isn’t too different from a Mass in the Roman rite. They just don’t have the incense. :highprayer::highprayer:
/cough Neither does most Catholic parishes anymore 😉
 
There are some Lutherans who are being received into the Catholic Church, via the Anglican Ordinary set up by PB16.
Do you mean the Personal Ordinariate established by HH Benedict XVI, 1/15/2011 in England and Wales and 1/1/2012 in the US?
How many ordinariates are there in the world?
Two, in the United States and in the United Kingdom. Ordinariates also are under consideration in Australia and Canada.
These ordinariates are new in that they will provide a way** for Anglicans to enter the Church in a corporate manner; that is, as a group or community**, while also retaining their Anglican heritage and traditions.
Pope Benedict XVI approved the creation of a U.S. ordinariate, the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter, on January 1, 2012.
**Jan. 27, 2012 ** The first group of former Anglican priests begins formation program to be ordained Catholic priests for the ordinariate. *****
Anglican priests seeking to enter the Catholic Church under an ordinariate may apply to be ordained as Catholic priests after a period of preparation…
What is the process for an Anglican community to become a member of the ordinariate?
The Anglican community would apply to the Ordinary, who would oversee the catechesis of the members of that community and arrange for the formal reception of its individual members into the Catholic Church. Once the stability of the community is assured, it could be recognized as a mission or parish of the ordinariate. The ecumenical implications of a congregation separating from a previous ecclesial relationship would be carefully observed.
Individual Anglicans seeking to become Catholic who are not part of an entire Anglican parish seeking to become Catholic together, individual Lutherans and any other Christian individuals come into the Latin Church via RCIA in a local Latin Church parish (or they could be received into the Catholic Church in any Eastern Catholic Church parish as canonically Latin Catholic). In the ordinariate process of course each individual is received into the Catholic Church but they come as an entire parish.

I believe a group of clergy and laity Anglicans was received into the Catholic Church last Easter in the Ordinariate for England and Wales, the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham. Here in the US the first group, Mount Calvary Church in Baltimore, was received this past Sunday, Jan 22 under the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter. 👍

A person who is member of the Lutheran Church cannot be a member of the Anglican Church and so could not come into the Catholic Church with a parish of Anglicans via the Personal Ordinariate.

There is no “Anglican Ordinary” in the Catholic Church. The Ordinary for the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter here in the US is a former Anglican bishop. Father Jeffrey Steenson is an Ordinary who is a priest not a bishop since he is married and married priests cannot be bishops. 🙂 God grant him many years!

***** I just noticed that today is the day this group of dear men begins their journey towards ordination as Catholic priests. May we keep them in our prayers.
 
I was reading about the personal ordinariates and was wondering if the Vatican was thinking about creating a personal ordinariate for Protestants. Lutherans would be the most likely people to join.
 
I was reading about the personal ordinariates and was wondering if the Vatican was thinking about creating a personal ordinariate for Protestants. Lutherans would be the most likely people to join.
Well, it would be much more complicated for other denominations since there are much larger theological issues at stake than simply the authority of Rome. The traditional Anglican liturgies were so close to Catholicism that not much tinkering needed to take place whereas even Lutheran liturgies would need to be dramatically altered.
 
I was reading about the personal ordinariates and was wondering if the Vatican was thinking about creating a personal ordinariate for Protestants. Lutherans would be the most likely people to join.
I’m sure that the Vatican is thinking about such things, but as mentioned above there are issues that would need to be overcome.
Indeed, Lutherans would likely be the next group that could gain an ordinariate, but only after considerable discussion and resolution of theological matters.
I would not look for it in my lifetime…

Peace
James
 
The question would depend on whether there are groups of Lutherans wishing to convert in groups. Several traditional Anglican groups actually petitioned the Vatican for many years to convert as a corporate body. I have not heard of a similar movement from within Lutheranism.
 
Brothers and Sisters, Please allow me to introduce my self, I am, Bishop Andrew R. M. Manley and I have a few thoughts of my own for this topic and question and so I regress. Although I am new to your forum, I am not new to the word of God. So with that said here’s my opinion on this subject, and yet I will only clip the tip of this question with my response.

Part of what is wrong with the “church” today is that it is so traditional and bogged down with each of it’s own bureaucracy that it takes years to make a decision. Unless the issue is the almighty dollar.

As an example I refer to the Vatican being extremely quick to displace several thousands of loyal Catholic worshipers by a forced, no bending policy and deadline to close many churches down and start selling them off to other faiths here in Northeast Ohio. And yes, there are a few appeals that have been sent along with petitions to try and stop this. Even when it is proven that some of these community churches can stand on their own merit as presented on their fiscal spread sheets.

However, that latter part is not so disturbing. It is within their power to do what ever they want. For them to say on one hand, we need more Priests in the ministry. And then displace thousands, isn’t the best business strategy to use under the circumstances. It’s like I said folks, there have been families that have been associated with the same congregation and church for four or five decades or even longer.

The process should be simple for if you feel that you are being called into the Saviors service, than all you need to do is personally or in secret, acknowledge and claim your faith is based on His teachings. Then by all means start ministering. I refer my remarks here to, and I am sure most of you know it, and that is the Gospel according to John: ch. 15, verse 16. (“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and “ordained you” that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”)…There are several more that back this up and I am a firm believer that we need to expedite the process as quickly as possible.

If for nothing else it is because there is so much that has to be done throughout the world, where I hear Christian and non-Christians clamoring for more of the Fathers teachings. If we were to wait for a formal process of traditionalism to play out, I feel it would be to late.

So I ask you, which do you think Christ would want you to do? Then and only then, when you are absolutely sure make your decision based on the council of Him and not mankind. For their will be a time for a formal ordination in the future, but you all probably know this already.

Oh, yes, I could have just typed John, ch. 15, verse. 16 and left it at that. But a forum is to bring ideas together and cause one to look deep inside themselves for answers. And those answers would be the soft awareness of the Holy Spirit trying to lead you down the path that Father wants for you. Yet, the choice is always yours. I am also pretty sure that another verse should go here and it is Matthew ch. 22, verse 14. ( “Many are called, but few are chosen.” ). So I ask one final question of you and that being, why not answer the call. For you and only you will know that it is God calling you out…

No matter what you decide to do I will pray that all who read this are blessed and that one should answer the call, for it most likely will be our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on the other end… 😉

Sincerely yours in Christ,
Bishop Andrew
 
My Lord, you are an “independent Catholic?” Would you please explain further?
 
So I ask you, which do you think Christ would want you to do?
Let’s look at Sacred Scripture:
So Peter and the [beloved] disciple went out and came to the tomb. They both ran, but the other disciple ran faster than Peter and arrived at the tomb first; he bent down and saw the burial cloths there, but did not go in. When Simon Peter arrived after him, he went into the tomb…Then the other disciple also went in, the one who had arrived at the tomb first…
The beloved disciple (who symbolizes the ideal disciple) gets to the tomb first but he does not enter, he waits for Peter (who symbolizes authority). True loving discipleship waits for authority as we can see in this Gospel story.

Jesus would rather we work through and with His Church than on our own…
 
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