Anglican ordinariate now has a Bishop

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From the Houston Cronicle:
By 2007, Lopes was involved in one of the faith’s greatest ecumenical endeavors …
An understandable mistake, but a mistake nevertheless. Pope Benedict et al didn’t do it for the TEC but for the seekers (although I don’t doubt that there were some in the TEC who were happy to see conservative Anglican parishes swim the Tiber).
 
From the Houston Cronicle:

An understandable mistake, but a mistake nevertheless. Pope Benedict et al didn’t do it for the TEC but for the seekers (although I don’t doubt that there were some in the TEC who were happy to see conservative Anglican parishes swim the Tiber).
The seekers were primarily from the Continuum, and, more crucially, a number of CoE bishops, in early 2009.
 
When the current (married) Ordinaries eventually step down in the UK and Australia, I wonder if we’ll see bishops appointed for those two jurisdictions as well. Would be nice to see say a widowed former Anglican bishop consecrated a bishop in the Catholic Church.

I believe 5 CofE bishops joined the UK Ordinariate initially. I suppose all five of them are currently married?
 
From the Houston Cronicle:

An understandable mistake, but a mistake nevertheless. Pope Benedict et al didn’t do it for the TEC but for the seekers (although I don’t doubt that there were some in the TEC who were happy to see conservative Anglican parishes swim the Tiber).
I guess I missed something-what was an understandable mistake?
 
I guess I should have you boldface in the quote,
By 2007, Lopes was involved in one of the faith’s greatest ecumenical endeavors …
 
When the current (married) Ordinaries eventually step down in the UK and Australia, I wonder if we’ll see bishops appointed for those two jurisdictions as well. Would be nice to see say a widowed former Anglican bishop consecrated a bishop in the Catholic Church.

I believe 5 CofE bishops joined the UK Ordinariate initially. I suppose all five of them are currently married?
5 sounds right, IIRC. None of the requisite marital status for the RC episcopate, AFAIK.
 
I guess I should have used boldface in the quote,
By 2007, Lopes was involved in one of the faith’s greatest ecumenical endeavors …
 
Congratulations to the Ordinariate and Bishop Lopes. May God grant you many blessed years!

Does this mean the Ordinariate worldwide can function as a church suiiuris? Can the UK or Australian Ordinariates call Bishop Lopes for ordinations and church blessings?
 
Congratulations to the Ordinariate and Bishop Lopes. May God grant you many blessed years!

Does this mean the Ordinariate worldwide can function as a church suiiuris? Can the UK or Australian Ordinariates call Bishop Lopes for ordinations and church blessings?
I imagine they could in theory. Would be a lot of travel though on top of his current responsibilities to parishes spread across a region much, much larger than the territory of the other two Ordinariates combined.
 
Does this mean the Ordinariate worldwide can function as a church suiiuris? Can the UK or Australian Ordinariates call Bishop Lopes for ordinations and church blessings?
No, and this had been made clear from the beginning. The Ordinariates were created for and are entrenched firmly in the Latin church. They are the equivalent of dioceses/eparchies. They follow the Roman Rite and are subject to Latin canon law.

And yes, Bishop Lopes can ordain for the other Ordinariates, but since he’s here and they’re there, it may be more practical and cost-effective to simply contact a local diocesan bishop for that.
 
Bishop Lopez is Ordinary of the Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter. The three Ordinariates and their Ordinaries have worked together on some areas (including the new Missal) and I’m sure they will continue to have productive relationships, but just because Lopez is a Bishop does not give him jurisdiction over the other Ordinariates any more than a diocesan bishop would have jurisdiction over a neighboring diocese. Can he ordain for British and Australian priestly candidates? Yes, and maybe he will when in the area (I believe the three ordinaries meet once a year face to face in a different country each time). But the practice has been for the local diocesan bishop to carry out the ordination and unless and until all three Ordinariates have a bishop that will probably remain the case.
 
Thanks Peter.

My understanding is that Bishop Lopes is not of Spanish/Mexican origin, but Portuguese - meaning the pronunciation is Lopes (lōps) not Lopez (lōpəs)
 
okay. but I still am slow at understanding what you are calling a mistake. could you be more specific please?
Hi Sorrows. I’m surprised that you’re asking again (I’m hoping this will be the last time) because I was already pretty explicit/specific in post nine. I’m saying that it is a mistake to call it an “ecumenical endeavor”.
 
Does this mean the Ordinariate worldwide can function as a church suiiuris?
I would have to say No.

Having a bishop doesn’t equate to having sui iuris status. The 1990 Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, canon 27, tells us that a church sui iuris is “a community of the Christian faithful, which is joined together by a hierarchy according to the norm of law and which is expressly or tacitly recognized as sui iuris by the supreme authority of the Church.”
 
Hi Sorrows. I’m surprised that you’re asking again (I’m hoping this will be the last time) because I was already pretty explicit/specific in post nine. I’m saying that it is a mistake to call it an “ecumenical endeavor”.
yes I saw your bolded words.
 
yes I saw your bolded words.
I believe what he is saying is that an ecumenical endeavor is generally said to be for the purpose of relationships between religions/Churches/ecclesial communities, whereas the ordinariate was not started for to work on relationships between the Anglican groups and Catholicism as groups, but rather to meet the needs of specific (now former) Anglicans.
 
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