Anglican reconcilliation

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I have a question that I would appreciate your thoughts on.

The Anglican Church is very broad from liberals & evangelicals on one side to Catholics on the other.

We all know that the Church of England was created because Henry VIII wanted to commit adultery & he was encouraged by Protestants like Cranmer & Cardinal Wolsley’s enemies such as the Duke of Norfolk etc.

Since then the British Monarch has been head of the C of E and it has been made very clear by the Vatican that the Anglican orders are not considered to be valid.

If the Monarch were no longer to be head of the Anglican Church, do you think that it could pave the way for the Catholics within it & there are many sincere Catholics there, to find communion with Rome?
 
I have a question that I would appreciate your thoughts on.

The Anglican Church is very broad from liberals & evangelicals on one side to Catholics on the other.

We all know that the Church of England was created because Henry VIII wanted to commit adultery & he was encouraged by Protestants like Cranmer & Cardinal Wolsley’s enemies such as the Duke of Norfolk etc.

Since then the British Monarch has been head of the C of E and it has been made very clear by the Vatican that the Anglican orders are not considered to be valid.

If the Monarch were no longer to be head of the Anglican Church, do you think that it could pave the way for the Catholics within it & there are many sincere Catholics there, to find communion with Rome?
This question comes along about once every month or so in various forms. GKC or one of the other regular Anglicans or Episcopalians will likely respond shortly. Here’s my take, as a convert to Episcopalianism who is reflecting seriously on a return to Rome. See the following for details about my own thoughts:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=227311

I probably lack the sense of Episcopalianism that a lifelong or longtime member of the Episcopal Movement might have, but I certainly doubt that the British Monarch is the chief impediment to reunion between Rome and Canterbury. In fact I doubt that the two communions will join formally any time soon under any circumstances.

What is happening is that a number of Anglican splinter groups are in fact in dialogue with Rome about joining. And a relatively significant number of Episcopalians are becoming or rejoining the RCC. Other Episcopalians are leaving to join the Lutherans, the Presbyterians, or whatever. Sadly, too many are simply drifting away from Christian faith altogether. One of my friends in the Episcopal church I attended is now a Hindu. He is rabidly anti-Catholic these days, even though he actually considered the RCC back in his teenage years, when he was treated kindly by some nuns during a hospital stay. Apparently he was given a Rosary by one of them, which he still treasures–even as he denounces the RCC as ‘medieval’ and ‘superstitious’.

Mostly you’re going to see reunion to Rome by Protestants in onesies, twosies, and small groups. Rarely a significant denomination though that can happen. And many won’t convert at all: they just won’t understand. My wife already finds the Episcopal style of worship ‘odd’.

“But honey, this sort of music has been used in churches for hundreds of years . . .”

“Then isn’t it time to get some new music?”

She is enculturated to the idea that things change rapidly and totally, every few years, and she just does not grasp the idea of things staying the same for centuries. She finds the standing/sitting/kneeling regimen of liturgical worship odd, even though she is perfectly comfortable in Pentecostal/Charismatic churches where people collapse backwards on the floor after being ‘slain in the Spirit’. It’s a paradigm-shift issue for my wife, and it is so for any number of other folks like her. And I don’t want to make my wife seem like some sort of oaf here: I’m just using her reactions as an example of the obstacles found generally among many Protestants.

Hence, you should not look for widespread mass conversions in the normal course of things. God, of course being free to work a miracle of grace as He chooses . . .
 
I have a question that I would appreciate your thoughts on.

The Anglican Church is very broad from liberals & evangelicals on one side to Catholics on the other.

We all know that the Church of England was created because Henry VIII wanted to commit adultery & he was encouraged by Protestants like Cranmer & Cardinal Wolsley’s enemies such as the Duke of Norfolk etc.

Since then the British Monarch has been head of the C of E and it has been made very clear by the Vatican that the Anglican orders are not considered to be valid.

If the Monarch were no longer to be head of the Anglican Church, do you think that it could pave the way for the Catholics within it & there are many sincere Catholics there, to find communion with Rome?
Your concept of history, re: Henry’s attempt to secure a decree of nullity, is faulty, but not unusual.

But, as flameburns said, the monarchy has no bearing on reunion (for that matter, the monarch is not heard of Anglicanism, only of the Church of England). I am dubious about the reports (on-going for about 10 years now) re: talks between the Traditional Anglican Communion, which is a fairly Anglo-Catholic group split off from Canterbury, and Rome. But the fact that the British monarch is head of the Church of England, by law, is not a consideration at all.

GKC
 
I have a question that I would appreciate your thoughts on.

The Anglican Church is very broad from liberals & evangelicals on one side to Catholics on the other.

If the Monarch were no longer to be head of the Anglican Church, do you think that it could pave the way for the Catholics within it & there are many sincere Catholics there, to find communion with Rome?
… sincere Catholics in the Anglican church???

Anglicans are Anglicans, Catholics are Catholics, my friend! There is no such thing as Anglican Catholics or Catholic Anglicans.

How sad so many people are misguided or deceived by thinking that Anglicans are Catholics (in part?). That “media via” thing or the “middle path” thing. Something like Anglicanism is part-Catholism and part-Protestantism. This is deception at its best!

The One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church is pure. She has the inspiration of the Holy Spirit since the time she was founded by our Lord Jesus Christ up until this very moment you are reading this post and to the end of time. Her doctrines are of truths. She can not teach truths and half-truths.

I firmly believe that individual conversion is always possible but NOT re-uniting the whole of Anglican Communion to the Catholic Church literally.

Peace.

Be angry, and sin not… Give not place to the devil.
Ephesians 4:26-27 :mad: + :signofcross:
 
I am amazed it took so long to get this sort of reply.

GKC

*Anglicanus Catholicus *
 
I have a question that I would appreciate your thoughts on.

The Anglican Church is very broad from liberals & evangelicals on one side to Catholics on the other.

Its comprehensiveness is part of its genius

We all know that the Church of England was created because Henry VIII wanted to commit adultery

Not so

& he was encouraged by Protestants like Cranmer & Cardinal Wolsley’s enemies such as the Duke of Norfolk etc.

**As a cleric, Wolsey was nothing; he made a titantic effort to arrange his election as pope in 1527, with a view to his giving Henry VIII the desired answer to the king’s “Great Matter”. The effort failed. Wolsey was lucky to escape trial by dying. **​

**There is far more to Anglicanism than the political wrangling which Divine Providence used to bring it to birth. Catholics who insist on ignoring the doctrinal side of the English Reformation, are ensuring they will be for unable to understand the English Reformation. Royal desire does not change a nation’s faith. **
Since then the British Monarch has been head of the C of E and it has been made very clear by the Vatican that the Anglican orders are not considered to be valid.

If the Monarch were no longer to be head of the Anglican Church, do you think that it could pave the way for the Catholics within it & there are many sincere Catholics there, to find communion with Rome?

**Britain is not England, nor England Britain; most Scots, Welsh, & Ulstermen are not Anglicans, nor connected with the Church of England apart from being - most of them - Protestant (at least nominally) **​

**No. I don’t think it would do anything apart from help along the secularisation of England. Most people in England & in the UK generally couldn’t give a monkey’s what happens to which Church or religion. God is about as important as yesterday’s discarded paper hankies for most people. People in the US are living in a fool’s paradise if they think God matters here. IMO, a middle path is needed: a mean between the excessive religiousness of the US, & the almost non-existent religiousness in this country. **
 
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