Anglican service and Roman Catholic mass?

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I used to study in an all girls Anglican school and during service we always sang fun, happy worship songs to which we clapped, danced, jumped along to, with electric guitars and drums as accompaniment. I’ve found the way of worship identical to that of some adult/youth protestant services. For example, the Methodists. Although, I studied in an Anglican school, I went to a Methodist church on Sundays and the youth/adult services were very lively with the electric guitars, drums and all. The youth especially in the Methodist church love to jump up and down as they sing praise to God during the energetic, rock songs. A common sight seen during Youth Service in some protestant churches. These bring me to my question. I read that Anglicanism came from Roman Catholicism and that the services are similar to mass. I think the word that describes it is liturgical. So, I was wondering if that is how the Anglicans worship, why was my Anglican school’s form of worship the total opposite? Also, do Anglicans believe in intercession of Mary and the saints?
 
All the Protestant Churches derive from the Catholic Church. There are some similarities in the Anglican services and the Mass but for the most part Anglicanism is giving way to modern ‘‘feel good’’ religion.

Individual Anglicans might believe in the intercession of the saints but I do not believe Anglicanism teaches it.
 
Well at my church (Anglican, England) our service very much follows a catholic Mass. I think because Anglicans are both Catholic and Apostolic there are varying degrees between churches.
For example Father Jim (my priest) is quite a traditional priest and in his services we follow a more catholic guideline. We sing the traditional hymns listen to sermons, readings, and then the communion. However when i was younger and i went to a Church of England Primary to get the children interested and closer to God and make things easier for them to understand my Headmaster took less formal, more reformed attitude with happy, more up beat music and clapping and going at it from that way. I think especially within the Anglican community there is a scope for a slight difference and i think in my opinion it depends where you go and what you priest in charge’s personal opinion and how high church he is…
However i do realise it may be slightly different else where but that is how it is in my area.🙂
hope that helps slightly
 
LDNCatholic said:
All the Protestant Churches derive from the Catholic Church. There are some similarities in the Anglican services and the Mass but for the most part Anglicanism is giving way to modern ‘‘feel good’’ religion.

Individual Anglicans might believe in the intercession of the saints but I do not believe Anglicanism teaches it.
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Yes, I guess this is true. Thanks for the reply!! 🙂
 
AnglicanGirl said:
Well at my church (Anglican, England) our service very much follows a catholic Mass. I think because Anglicans are both Catholic and Apostolic there are varying degrees between churches.
For example Father Jim (my priest) is quite a traditional priest and in his services we follow a more catholic guideline. We sing the traditional hymns listen to sermons, readings, and then the communion. However when i was younger and i went to a Church of England Primary to get the children interested and closer to God and make things easier for them to understand my Headmaster took less formal, more reformed attitude with happy, more up beat music and clapping and going at it from that way. I think especially within the Anglican community there is a scope for a slight difference and i think in my opinion it depends where you go and what you priest in charge’s personal opinion and how high church he is…
However i do realise it may be slightly different else where but that is how it is in my area.🙂
hope that helps slightly
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Welcome to CAF.

Following Henry VIII and his break with the Universal Church the Anglican church is no longer Catholic and has lost Apostolic succession so can no longer call itself Apostolic in the true sense of the word.
 
AnglicanGirl said:
Well at my church (Anglican, England) our service very much follows a catholic Mass. I think because Anglicans are both Catholic and Apostolic there are varying degrees between churches.
For example Father Jim (my priest) is quite a traditional priest and in his services we follow a more catholic guideline. We sing the traditional hymns listen to sermons, readings, and then the communion. However when i was younger and i went to a Church of England Primary to get the children interested and closer to God and make things easier for them to understand my Headmaster took less formal, more reformed attitude with happy, more up beat music and clapping and going at it from that way. I think especially within the Anglican community there is a scope for a slight difference and i think in my opinion it depends where you go and what you priest in charge’s personal opinion and how high church he is…
However i do realise it may be slightly different else where but that is how it is in my area.🙂
hope that helps slightly
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Thank you for sharing! I’m from Singapore, so yes maybe it is slightly different.
 
sharon_rose said:
I used to study in an all girls Anglican school and during service we always sang fun, happy worship songs to which we clapped, danced, jumped along to, with electric guitars and drums as accompaniment. I’ve found the way of worship identical to that of some adult/youth protestant services. For example, the Methodists. Although, I studied in an Anglican school, I went to a Methodist church on Sundays and the youth/adult services were very lively with the electric guitars, drums and all. The youth especially in the Methodist church love to jump up and down as they sing praise to God during the energetic, rock songs. A common sight seen during Youth Service in some protestant churches. These bring me to my question. I read that Anglicanism came from Roman Catholicism and that the services are similar to mass. I think the word that describes it is liturgical. So, I was wondering if that is how the Anglicans worship, why was my Anglican school’s form of worship the total opposite? Also, do Anglicans believe in intercession of Mary and the saints?
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First of all, you need to distinguish between the basic shape of Anglican liturgy, which is either the Mass or a version of the Liturgy of the Hours, and the *style. *While most Anglicans in my experience worship with traditional music, some use very lively contemporary music. Others use a blend. The important thing is that we celebrate the Eucharist frequently and that when we do not we follow the basic pattern of the traditional Liturgy of the Hours. If the worship services you attended did not include Communion and did not have that basic liturgical shape, then they were not typical of Anglican worship. Anglicanism does cover a very broad spectrum, and on the whole the more evangelical wing of Anglicanism is the fastest-growing. This often goes along with an interest in more contemporary styles of worship. The same is true of Methodism. Methodists have an official liturgy, though it is not as universally enforced as in Anglicanism.

Anglicanism does not officially endorse asking for the intercession of saints, though the Episcopal Church and many other Anglican churches do have prayers for the dead in our liturgy. The 39 Articles which Anglicans adopted at the Reformation condemn the “invocation of saints,” but many “Anglo-Catholics” (i.e., Anglicans who emphasize the Catholic part of our heritage) practice it anyway (the status of the 39 Articles varies among different Anglican churches–I was not asked to subscribe to them when I was confirmed in the Episcopal Church, and in fact the church where I was confirmed used the Litany of the Saints at the Easter Vigil and had a weekly Rosary prayer group).

Edwin
 
LDNCatholic said:
Welcome to CAF.

Following Henry VIII and his break with the Universal Church the Anglican church is no longer Catholic and has lost Apostolic succession so can no longer call itself Apostolic in the true sense of the word.
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however when we are taking part in the service we say the words ‘we believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic church’. its just the way it is.
 
The big difference is in the word church service and the catholic Mass. The Mass is not a service.The Mass is the mystical body of Jesus Christ present before God’s people. The Mass is where heaven and earth meet. The Mass is the flesh incarnate. The Mass is where heaven and earth meet, where those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth all bow their knee before the king of kings and the Lord of Lords

see Hebrews 10:19 -25 Hebrews 12:1-2 12:12 …You have approached Mount Zion and the city of the living God,the heavenly Jerusalem, and the countless angels in festal gathring, and the assembly of the firstborn enrolled in heavene and God the judge of all, and the spirits of the just made perfect and Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and the sprikled blood that speaks more eloquently than that of Abel.

The Mass is where God’s people in heaven and on earth are all familiar with the worship of Spirit and Truth and the true presence of Jesus Christ since Jesus instituted the Eucharist at the last supper, and the Catholic church continues as Jesus commanded to “Do this in rememberance of me” So the Mass is not a service it is a holy worship and eternal sacrifice proclaimed in heaven and earth during the Mass that proclaims the death of our Lord Jesus until he returns for his catholic church finding her doing as he commanded.
 
You may, in good conscience, continue to proclaim your faith in the apostolic church provided your church continues in the confession of the faith of the apostles.

Apostolicity has nothing to do with a physical or ritual pedigree. When Catholics say what LDN has said here they aren’t doing much more than betraying their ecclesiological presuppositions.
 
AnglicanGirl said:
however when we are taking part in the service we say the words ‘we believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic church’. its just the way it is.
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Regardless truth is truth, as you say, it is just the way it is.
 
I have never been to an Anglican Mass, but I have gone to choral evensong. This service was very traditional. The hymns were much more traditional than those in most Catholic Masses.
 
cathgal said:
No you don’t.
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I find it very odd that you think you know what Anglicans say better than we do. I assure you that we do say those words–and I for one believe them!
Why else are you still Anglican.
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Because it is not by our will that the historic Catholic Church was divided into East and West, and further divided at the Reformation. We would enter into full communion with either Rome or the East at any time if you would accept us as we are. The problem is not that we do not believe in the one Church. The problem is that we do not recognize either Rome or the East as having the full authority to speak for the one Church.

Edwin
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
The big difference is in the word church service and the catholic Mass. The Mass is not a service.
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“Service” is basically the English translation of “liturgy.” This is a very poor argument. A much better case could be made that the Protestant term “service” is a carryover from Catholicism, since it doesn’t really fit a traditionally Protestant theology of worship.
The Mass is the mystical body of Jesus Christ present before God’s people. The Mass is where heaven and earth meet. The Mass is the flesh incarnate. The Mass is where heaven and earth meet, where those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth all bow their knee before the king of kings and the Lord of Lords
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see Hebrews 10:19 -25 Hebrews 12:1-2 12:12 …You have approached Mount Zion and the city of the living God,the heavenly Jerusalem, and the countless angels in festal gathring, and the assembly of the firstborn enrolled in heavene and God the judge of all, and the spirits of the just made perfect and Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and the sprikled blood that speaks more eloquently than that of Abel.
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The Mass is where God’s people in heaven and on earth are all familiar with the worship of Spirit and Truth and the true presence of Jesus Christ since Jesus instituted the Eucharist at the last supper, and the Catholic church continues as Jesus commanded to “Do this in rememberance of me” So the Mass is not a service it is a holy worship and eternal sacrifice proclaimed in heaven and earth during the Mass that proclaims the death of our Lord Jesus until he returns for his catholic church finding her doing as he commanded.
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Are you under the impression that Anglicans would disagree with any of this? I certainly wouldn’t.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
I find it very odd that you think you know what Anglicans say better than we do. I assure you that we do say those words–and I for one believe them!
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Did I? I don’t think so

Coming from one Anglican who claims ‘we believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic church’

No doubt you believe it but do you know what it means exactly?
After all, the phrase didn’t originate from Anglicanism.
Because it is not by our will that the historic Catholic Church was divided into East and West, and further divided at the Reformation. We would enter into full communion with either Rome or the East at any time if you would accept us as we are. The problem is not that we do not believe in the one Church. The problem is that we do not recognize either Rome or the East as having the full authority to speak for the one Church.
Edwin
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Full communion and accept you as you are…such as?

This can also applies to other denominations. Do you even know what ‘full communion’ means?

Do you know the origin of Anglicanism?
 
cathgal said:
Did I? I don’t think so

Coming from one Anglican who claims ‘we believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic church’

No doubt you believe it but do you know what it means exactly?
After all, the phrase didn’t originate from Anglicanism.

Full communion and accept you as you are…such as?

This can also applies to other denominations. Do you even know what ‘full communion’ means?

Do you know the origin of Anglicanism?
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Yes, he does. So do I.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus
 
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