Anglican service?

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Okay I take back some of what I’ve said. There may be too much singing. Never thought I’d say that, he he.

I like that there is time for prayer during the silent moments in the EF.
 
TrueLight said:
Okay I take back some of what I’ve said. There may be too much singing. Never thought I’d say that, he he.

I like that there is time for prayer during the silent moments in the EF.
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Keep in mind that in the OF, moments of sacred silence are supposed to happen as well. At our very reverential OF Mass in Gregorian chant (in a Benedictine abbey), there are long silences after each OT and Epistle reading and after the homily, as well as after communion.

An OF Mass, properly done, is simply beautiful.
 
OraLabora said:
Keep in mind that in the OF, moments of sacred silence are supposed to happen as well. At our very reverential OF Mass in Gregorian chant (in a Benedictine abbey), there are long silences after each OT and Epistle reading and after the homily, as well as after communion.

An OF Mass, properly done, is simply beautiful.
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You’ve mentioned this beautiful mass a couple of times. I may have to go on a pilgrimage to check it out. 👍
 
TrueLight said:
If 100 years from now, that is how most Catholic masses are, we would be blessed.
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The linguists say that in a 100 years, we (or our descendants) will all be speaking in Panglish so most by then will probably read 2011 English like we read Shakespeare. Maybe some like to read and listen to Shakespeare week after week but I’ll stick to the Latin.
 
Can we get a moratorium on the clown mass and the barney mass and even the ugly episcopalian vestments. Please!

There are over a billion Catholics. Mass will run the gamut from a beautiful, solemn liturgy with a professional choir to a children’s Mass in a church basement with someone’s dad playing the guitar. Masses across the world will have even more variety.

Without a valid priesthood it doesn’t really matter how solemn the event is.
 
TrueLight said:
Wow! It is very similar to the EF and OF. And it has some Latin. Its celebrated ad Orientem.

And the congregation sings.

If 100 years from now, that is how most Catholic masses are, we would be blessed.

When is one coming to NY???
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I don’t know about NY, however, there are small groups and small parishes popping up all over the US. After the Ordinariate is established I think we will see more of them. Some are waiting to see how the Ordinariate is implemented before crossing the bridge that the Holy Father has built.

Whether some Catholics are happy with the OF or EF, there are some who love this liturgy and beyond the liturgy what I admire is that the priests are all very orthodox in their teachings. As we can all see that some of the priests and bishops in Europe are rebelling against the teachings, i.e. woman priests, homosexual unions etc. They are headed the way of the Episcopal church and the Anglican Communion. I recall that Pope Benedict said he would rather have a smaller, but purer Church and it seems that is coming to pass. The Ordininariate will bring in orthodox teachings and hopefully counterl some of the one’s who leave to join those who are rebelling against the Church.

My parish is traditional and the OF is done with great reverence. I know in the past that both the Episcopal church and some Catholic parishes have abused the liturgy, i.e. clown masses etc. but I think that is very rare.

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Bernadette
 
ConstantineTG said:
Honestly I would question that. Because a priest in a clown suit making mockery of the Liturgy would have his intent questionable, therefore the Sacrament may be invalid and therefore, an invalid Mass.
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I think you’re exactly right, as far as that goes. But I think that of the (hopefully few) clown masses that have taken place, few or none intended to make a mockery of the mass. It is generally charitable to assume the good intentions of others, and I think in this case more accurate as well. The priests leading clown masses probably hoped to bring the joy of Christ more directly to the congregation, or jolt people out of their rut, or make the message easier for kids to follow, or whatever other reason. That they acted on this goal in a horribly misguided way doesn’t change the fact that they intend to do what the church intends during the consecration, and thus there should be a valid Eucharist.

Now if the words of consecration are changed to “This is my squeaky red nose, and this is the squirt from my lapel flower,” it would be a different story.
 
Well, what I would say is this: the text of the BCP, especially the older version which is still in use, is more amenable to a very solemn dignified service than the Catholic OF.

And while both groups some very nasty or just blah examples, you are somewhat more likely in an Anglican parish to find good music and liturgical integrity, and altar rails and kneeling to receive, and even more likely to find some Latin. I’m not sure what the proportion of good to bad would be in each group, and I suspect it varies by area, but I think Anglicans are a bit better off than Catholics overall.
 
Bluegoat said:
Well, what I would say is this: the text of the BCP, especially the older version which is still in use, is more amenable to a very solemn dignified service than the Catholic OF.

And while both groups some very nasty or just blah examples, you are somewhat more likely in an Anglican parish to find good music and liturgical integrity, and altar rails and kneeling to receive, and even more likely to find some Latin. I’m not sure what the proportion of good to bad would be in each group, and I suspect it varies by area, but I think Anglicans are a bit better off than Catholics overall.
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I have to say, I have always lamented that more Catholic parishes could not have more liturgies like these. I am apparently not the only one whenever I speak about it with those I know. I would love to attend Anglican Use Catholic masses if they were in my area. But because it my livelihood to sing, I do have an opportunity to sing at Episcopal churches or other high-church denominations for their special feast days, etc.

The first time I experienced a Catholic mass that had similar liturgies in terms of solemnity and reverence was when I was studying in London for a semester. St. Etheldreda’s was the first Catholic parish I attended there (shown to me by very kind parishioners of an Anglican Catholic parish I attended at first when I thought it was a Catholic parish).

This was when my entire outlook on music liturgy for Catholic mass was changed. I grew up being told that Catholic churches no longer do this kind of music at mass, that it was either old-school, horrible, can’t be done, that people my age should like a certain kind of music at mass, etc. I had no other experience at the time with Protestant services which used this music, so I was so blown away when I came to London and subsequently to other parts of Europe and experienced it. When I saw that it could be done at actual churches and Catholic parishes at that, it gave me hope to see it done back in the U.S.
 
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