Doesn’t that assume when Anglicans are received into the Catholic Church as an ordinariate they will bring their current liturgy with them? When the ordinariate was established in England the ordinariate adopted, for the time being, the Roman Rite.
That would be almost like asking for a translation of Shakespeare, wouldn’t it? Good luck with that.
I do assume that, although I had forgotten the fact you mention about the current use of the Roman Rite in England. My understanding is that an Anglican-flavored liturgy, like the current Anglican use in the US, will be adopted by the ordinariates in time, and that this is part of the patrimony Benedict spoke of in inviting them into the Church.
Isn’t it “The Lord be with you” followed by “And with thy spirit”? In old-fashioned English “you” is plural and “thou” singular. The priest addresses the whole congregation with the plural “you” and the congregation responds to the priest with the singular “thy” (rather than the plural “your”). Unfortunately in the 17th century it became polite to also address individual people with the plural “you” (a little like the royal “we”), leading to “thou” sounding old-fashioned to later generations and falling farther and farther out of use.That would be almost like asking for a translation of Shakespeare, wouldn’t it? Good luck with that.
But I’d be curious too, if just to see how they translate “The Lord be with thee” in Polish, for example.
I, too, do not know how liturgy is translated from one language to another in the Anglican Communion. Those who come in to communion with the Latin Church corporately as ordinariates become part of the Latin Church. I would, therefore, think that translations would need to be approved in the same way as now happens in the Church: translation followed by approval from the Holy See. This seems to be the most likely scenario as they will need Anglican-style liturgies to be altered to conform to Catholic doctrine and theology.
Yes you are correct - it is “The Lord be with you” followed by “And with thy Spiirt” in the English Prayer Books, and also in Common Worship (Traditional Language).
You’re right. But in Polish using the second person in singular is generally considered very rude. (My mother scolded me every time I even tried to use it in conversation.) It’s Pan z wamy/I z duchem twoim right now, and I imagine some in Poland have probably questioned the reverence of this particular translation, though it is literal to the Latin and uses no subjunctive. Furthermore, the theology in Polish is that the Lord IS with you (like in the English Hail Mary), not the Lord BE with you. That’s where I see some difficulty in the translation of just these versicles.
I assume you mean a french translation of the EF?
I would too but let’s be careful for what we wish. In theory Italian, because most of its words end in vowels, is more singable than English so maybe we want to try it out with “God Save the Queen” in Italian first.
I would too but let’s be careful for what we wish. In theory Italian, because most of its words end in vowels, is more singable than English so maybe we want to try it out with “God Save the Queen” in Italian first.
Now that I would love to hear. I might ask my Mother to sing it to me when I see her later. I do remember translating the Italian National anthem into English after rather a lot of Limencello one night!I remember England but I only remember hearing the Polish carols.