Anglican Use Mass?

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I am a bit confused, are Catholics allowed to attend an Anglican Use Church, and is it valid?
I have also heard that their liturgy seems pretty conservative, similar to what we
used to have before the change.

Do any of you know of either a very reverant NO Mass in the Nevada area?
or
a TLM in that area,
or
an Anglican Use Church that is ok for Catholics to attend?

Please provide the name of the Church, what town it’s located in.
Thanks:thumbsup:
 
Yes, the Anglican Use mass is a fully valid Catholic mass, and any Catholic can receive communion in an Anglican Use mass. It even counts as meeting your Sunday or holy day obligation.

The Anglican Use is a subset of the Roman Rite in the Catholic Church. All Anglican Use priests are validly ordained in the Roman Rite, and the liturgy used by Anglican Use parishes has been approved by Rome.

In addition I might add that Anglican Use liturgies are extremely traditional, and usually resemble the Tridentine style of worship more so than the Novus Ordo. Traditional Catholics will feel very comfortable in this setting, and Anglican Use Catholics are often sympathetic to Traditionalist sensibilities.
 
catholicknight said:
Yes, the Anglican Use mass is a fully valid Catholic mass, and any Catholic can receive communion in an Anglican Use mass. It even counts as meeting your Sunday or holy day obligation.

The Anglican Use is a subset of the Roman Rite in the Catholic Church. All Anglican Use priests are validly ordained in the Roman Rite, and the liturgy used by Anglican Use parishes has been approved by Rome.

In addition I might add that Anglican Use liturgies are extremely traditional, and usually resemble the Tridentine style of worship more so than the Novus Ordo. Traditional Catholics will feel very comfortable in this setting, and Anglican Use Catholics are often sympathetic to Traditionalist sensibilities.
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Thanks!👍

I read about a Church that had the word “Ordinariate” next to Traditional Anglican Church,
would this be ok for Catholics to attend ?
They said they had an Anglo Catholic Mass.

Thanks for your help.
 
Megan7 said:
I read about a Church that had the word “Ordinariate” next to Traditional Anglican Church,
would this be ok for Catholics to attend ?
They said they had an Anglo Catholic Mass.

Thanks for your help.
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Not yet. I would guess this is an Anglican church that has announced that it is going to join an ordinariate, but none of this has taken place yet. For the time being, they are still Anglicans, even though they choose to call themselves “Anglo-Catholics.”
 
MarkThompson said:
Not yet. I would guess this is an Anglican church that has announced that it is going to join an ordinariate, but none of this has taken place yet. For the time being, they are still Anglicans, even though they choose to call themselves “Anglo-Catholics.”
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I thought Anglo-Catholics are different from Traditional Anglicans. Or maybe some are different, some are the same, there’s a wide variety of them out there 😃
 
I posted this on another catholic.com forum but it is relative here. If you go to the links for Our Lady of the Atonement at the bottom you will see video of the Anglican Use Mass (Roman Catholic). As has been noted, once the ordinariates are up and running those two will be acceptable for Roman Catholics to attend.

*I was reading the anglocatholic.com blog and noticed a poster there referenced Archbishop Hepworth (Primate of the TAC) as saying, “Priests in Australia’s new Anglican Ordinariate will celebrate mass facing east, away from their congregations, using 500-year old liturgies.”

I searched to see if the quote the poster noted was accurate and found this article among others.

cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=24560

Also noted on David Virtue’s site virtueonline.org/portal/m…?storyid=13657

Seems there is a lot of promise in the Anglican Ordinariate in terms of keeping the beauty of traditional Anglican Liturgical worship as they enter the Catholic Church.

Fr. Phillips (Anglican Use priest in the RCC) has a large and vibrant Catholic Community with a beautiful English style church.

atonementonline.com/

atonementonline.com/sanctuary.php *
 
ConstantineTG said:
I thought Anglo-Catholics are different from Traditional Anglicans.
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I didn’t think so, but then I’m far from an expert. According to the post, they called themselves TAC and said they had an Anglo-Catholic Mass, so I’m not sure what difference there would be if any.
 
MarkThompson said:
I didn’t think so, but then I’m far from an expert. According to the post, they called themselves TAC and said they had an Anglo-Catholic Mass, so I’m not sure what difference there would be if any.
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I know they would call themselves Anglican Catholics, but Anglo-Catholics are a different group. At least in Canada the TAC is officially called the Anglican Catholic Church of Canada. TAC is merely the name of their Communion which is separate from the ACC or the Anglican Communion. From what I know is that Anglo-Catholics are part of the Anglican Communion and not TAC. But it could easily be different in another part of the world, or just another state. There’s such a varied use of names in the Anglican community that in a certain context, I would be correct, and in another you would be correct.

But Anglican Use Mass is the proper name currently used to describe the Catholic Mass used by converts from Anglican Churches. This will be the Mass of TAC when they come into Communion, as well as other individual Anglican/Episcopalian parishes.
 
The Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) is mostly made up of Anglo Catholics. There are different groups who broke away from the Anglican Communion i.e. FIF, Forward in Faith etc. These two groups are coming into the Ordinariate, although some in each group have decided not to. It is confusing to people on the outside.

Once the Ordinariates are established the liturgy will be decided upon. At this point no one knows what that will be, or if there will be more than one liturgy as these groups are from different countries and follow different liturgies.

Hopefully Rome will allow the Knox Missal to be used. It follows the TLM/EF with certain Anglican prayers included and is also in English.

I would assume that all the Anglican Use parishes will become part of the Ordinariate, but on reading some comments I am not sure if local Bishops some are under can deny them. I would imagine that the Holy Father would intercede because he is very enthused about the Ordinariate and I think it would be unwise for any Bishop to interfere with the Pope’s wishes.

At this time we only know of certain parishes coming into the Ordinariate within the US. In the future there will probably be more when Anglicans see how it works out. There is fear among some that they will lose their Patrimony or fear of Papal Authority. Hopefully those fears will be eliminated soon and they will join their brothers and sisters in the Catholic Church.

Yes any Catholic can attend any Anglican Use parish and many actually are registered members.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
This is best religious news I’ve heard in 20 years. I’m a former Episcopalian and I miss that beautiful liturgy very, very much. It is so much more reverent than most contemporary Roman Catholic masses. I truly feel the presence of God at those traditional liturgies.:heaven:
 
This will be the Mass of TAC when they come into Communion, as well as other individual Anglican/Episcopalian parishes.
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We don’t know that. The current Anglican Use Mass was modified to conform to the ICEL NO (“for all”) language so I would expect some modifications made about the same time the new translations in the English OF are implemented. The direction seems to be to standardize all English Masses, but I can understand some preservation of the traditional (Henry VIII) language for those attached to those denominations you mentioned.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I know they would call themselves Anglican Catholics, but Anglo-Catholics are a different group. At least in Canada the TAC is officially called the Anglican Catholic Church of Canada. TAC is merely the name of their Communion which is separate from the ACC or the Anglican Communion. From what I know is that Anglo-Catholics are part of the Anglican Communion and not TAC. But it could easily be different in another part of the world, or just another state. There’s such a varied use of names in the Anglican community that in a certain context, I would be correct, and in another you would be correct.

But Anglican Use Mass is the proper name currently used to describe the Catholic Mass used by converts from Anglican Churches. This will be the Mass of TAC when they come into Communion, as well as other individual Anglican/Episcopalian parishes.
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An Anglo-Catholic is just an Anglican with a catholic theology - usually as opposed to a more evangelical, Protestant, or Low-Church theology. It isn’t a particular group, and doesn’t even have a strct set of beliefs. It is a bit like saying someone is a traditional Catholic - it could mean a number of things. A more specific term one sees is Anglo-Papalist, which has pretty obvious meaning, but it tends to have a perjorative use so one doesn’t see it a lot.

Traditional Anglicans can mean a few things. If it is Traditional Anglican Church (TAC) than it is a proper name. But if you say just traditional Anglicans, it can mean anything. Many are indeed Anglo-Catholic. It can also mean as opposed to liberal theological views - such a group might also be low-church or even evangelical. It often can also mean a group that chooses not to use or opposes the newer liturgies that came out in the 70’s - the ones that look like the Catholic OF.

It often includes a number of these meanings in actual use. I would be considered a traditional Anglican in that I affirm a classical Anglican understanding of issues, I oppose the newer style of liturgy as being essentially un-Anglican (and un-catholic too IMO), I’m moderately high Church, and an anglo-Catholic. I also am in a church that is part of the Anglican Communion and the national Church of my country.

This all of course gets complicated when it comes to who might be interested in joining the ordinariates. Obviously they would be anglo-papalists, and affirm traditional catholic teachings. If, however, as ProVobis said the CC tends to want to water down the liturgy and they also do not like these watered down liturgies, that could pose a serious problem. It’s what has kept a lot of Anglicans out of the CC before now.
 
ProVobis said:
We don’t know that. The current Anglican Use Mass was modified to conform to the ICEL NO (“for all”) language so I would expect some modifications made about the same time the new translations in the English OF are implemented. The direction seems to be to standardize all English Masses, but I can understand some preservation of the traditional (Henry VIII) language for those attached to those denominations you mentioned.
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From comments I have read the Anglican Use liturgy will be closer to what is in some of the Anglican Missals. What we don’t know, is if there will be different liturgies for the different Ordinariates that are in England, Australia, US etc. The Ordinariates will be working closely with the CDF. Each Ordinariate is like a diocese and the Ordinary if unmarried can become a Bishop, if not they will be equal as far as respect as a Bishop. The Ordinary will make the decisions on who may be ordained along with the CDF. They will work with the local Bishop on areas that affect the whole Church.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
BernadetteM said:
From comments I have read the Anglican Use liturgy will be closer to what is in some of the Anglican Missals. What we don’t know, is if there will be different liturgies for the different Ordinariates that are in England, Australia, US etc. The Ordinariates will be working closely with the CDF. Each Ordinariate is like a diocese and the Ordinary if unmarried can become a Bishop, if not they will be equal as far as respect as a Bishop. The Ordinary will make the decisions on who may be ordained along with the CDF. They will work with the local Bishop on areas that affect the whole Church.
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My guess is that there will be one Anglican Use (or whatever it’s ultimately called) Missal, containing one or more variations. By that I mean separate variations, and not a “mix and match” mess. I’ve heard rumor that some are interested in having the Sarum Rite revived (with its typical edition in Latin), and of course there are others who are very attached to the English Missal, and some now to the current Anglican Use (hybrid as it is of BCP and Novus Ordo).

But that’s merely conjecture. You’re right: we really don’t know at this point what the finished product will look like.
 
malphono said:
My guess is that there will be one Anglican Use (or whatever it’s ultimately called) Missal, containing one or more variations. By that I mean separate variations, and not a “mix and match” mess. I’ve heard rumor that some are interested in having the Sarum Rite revived (with its typical edition in Latin), and of course there are others who are very attached to the English Missal, and some now to the current Anglican Use (hybrid as it is of BCP and Novus Ordo).

But that’s merely conjecture. You’re right: we really don’t know at this point what the finished product will look like.
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The problem with the Sarum Use is that I don’t know of any Anglicans who use it or have used it in the past few hundred years. There are parts of it that are used in the Anglican Use Mass, the Canon, which is also the Canon used in the EF. I read the text of the Knott Missal and it is very close to the EF, but includes the beautiful Anglican prayers.

This is what I believe the first priests in the Anglican Use would have wanted or something similar than what was given. Things have changed now that the Holy Father has shown his deep appreciation of the Anglican Patrimony. I really don’t know of any who use the BDW, as far as the priests who are attached to it. Of course there are many Latin Rite Catholics who attend these parishes and prefer it over the OF.

Many of the incoming Anglicans are getting very anxious for the Ordinariates to be established and want to know which liturgy or liturgies will be allowed. Rome does move slowly, but I don’t think that a year or so after announcing the Apostolic Constitution is such a long time. There are so many issues to work out.

Of course since I am already Catholic it is easier for me to wait and I have no idea whether there will be an Anglican Use parish near enough for me to attend. I have been waiting for many years for this and I am just thankful that the Holy Spirit has brought these Anglicans into the Church worldwide.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
BernadetteM said:
The problem with the Sarum Use is that I don’t know of any Anglicans who use it or have used it in the past few hundred years. There are parts of it that are used in the Anglican Use Mass, the Canon, which is also the Canon used in the EF. I read the text of the Knott Missal and it is very close to the EF, but includes the beautiful Anglican prayers.
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As I gather, that’s one of the “sticking points” of resuscitating Sarum, but there are those who believe it would present a unifying factor within the Anglican Ordinariates, if only for historical reasons. I can’t say I disagree with that. (BTW, I think it’s close to 500 years. Sarum was on the wane, having been displaced in large part by the Roman, well before Cranmer. Despite the good efforts of Queen Mary to revive it, (I think her m.o. was also that it would serve as a unifying factor), politics (and Cranmer’s disciples) intervened, and it ended up in total disuse, being summarily suppressed by Trent for that reason.)
 
Bluegoat said:
An Anglo-Catholic is just an Anglican with a catholic theology - usually as opposed to a more evangelical, Protestant, or Low-Church theology.
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Couple questions just to try and understand better

Would they include the deuteros in their old testament?
Would they hold the doctrine of Purgatory?
Would they pray to saints?

At the other side of the spectrum, is there such a think as a “reformed” or “calvanist” Anglican ?
 
ajcstr said:
Couple questions just to try and understand better

Would they include the deuteros in their old testament?
Would they hold the doctrine of Purgatory?
Would they pray to saints?

At the other side of the spectrum, is there such a think as a “reformed” or “calvanist” Anglican ?
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Officially all Anglicans, no matter what sort, use the same canon. So they read the deutero-works, and they are included in the Morning and Evening prayer lectionaries (or some of them) but they are not used for deriving doctrine in the same way as other Scriptural texts.

I would not be surprised to find that some very Rome oriented parishes put more emphasis on them.

Many believe in purgatory, but not all. They do tend to reject the idea of the Treasury of Merit and Indulgences though. Again, there are some that may even accept these things.

Yes, many pray to saints, though fewer than Catholics. There is a conception of the Communion of Saints even among those that don’t - it is generally more a matter of personal preference. THe liturgy prayers to the saints in general and commemorates them individually during the liturgical year.

And yes, there are indeed Reformed Anglicans, though they are not very common. More common are low-church and evangelical Anglicans, who may be more like evangelical Lutherans than Calvinists. Among these you would find they are not likely to see much praying to saints, belief in purgatory, and some have other strange and quaint customs. I think they generally still believe in the communion of saints.
 
Bluegoat said:
Officially all Anglicans, no matter what sort, use the same canon. So they read the deutero-works, and they are included in the Morning and Evening prayer lectionaries (or some of them) but they are not used for deriving doctrine in the same way as other Scriptural texts.

I would not be surprised to find that some very Rome oriented parishes put more emphasis on them.

Many believe in purgatory, but not all. They do tend to reject the idea of the Treasury of Merit and Indulgences though. Again, there are some that may even accept these things.

Yes, many pray to saints, though fewer than Catholics. There is a conception of the Communion of Saints even among those that don’t - it is generally more a matter of personal preference. THe liturgy prayers to the saints in general and commemorates them individually during the liturgical year.

And yes, there are indeed Reformed Anglicans, though they are not very common. More common are low-church and evangelical Anglicans, who may be more like evangelical Lutherans than Calvinists. Among these you would find they are not likely to see much praying to saints, belief in purgatory, and some have other strange and quaint customs. I think they generally still believe in the communion of saints.
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Explaining the flavors of Anglicanism is a never-ending process, isn’t it? A motley crew, as you know.

I’ll be reading the Lesson at our 1100 PM Solemn High Mass on Christmas Eve. The Lesson is taken from Baruch.

Mass on 26 Dec is the feast day of Stephen, Deacon and Martyr, 28 December, the Holy Innocents, 29 December, St. Thomas of Canterbury.

GKC

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