Anglican Use masses in OF parishes?

[NorthTexan88]

Quick advice needed.

There is a Lutheran(LCMS) church in my town that offers vespers every Wednesday night, can I go to this???

I have been searching for other things to do at Church to grow my spiritual life and my parish offers nothing extra. It’s just go to Mass Sunday and then wait for the next Sunday. I do occasionally go to adoration but I would really like to to attend vespers, so can I go to Luthern vespers?

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

I’m guessing the other prayer you were thinking of is the General Confession in the Daily Office, which censored out the phrases “there is no health in us” and “miserable offenders”.

Actually, I was thinking of the Post Communion prayer.

The 1928 book has this:

ALMIGHTY and everliving God, we most heartily thank thee, for that thou **dost vouchsafe to **feed us who have duly received these holy mysteries with the spiritual food of the most precious Body and Blood of thy Son our Saviour Jesus Christ; and dost assure us thereby of thy favour and goodness towards us; and that we are very members incorporate in the mystical body of thy Son, which is the blessed company of all faithful people; and are also heirs through hope of thy everlasting kingdom, by the merits of his most precious death and passion. And we most humbly beseech thee, O heavenly Father, so to assist us with thy grace, that we may continue in that holy fellowship, and do all such good works as thou hast prepared for us to walk in; through Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom, with thee and the Holy Ghost, be all honour and glory, world without end. Amen.

The excised words in the 1979 BCP are shown in bold face.

But to your point, yes the General Confession in Morning and Evening prayer in both the 1979 BCP and the BDW are lacking those phrases.

I once read an article about an Anglican Use Catholic evensong where the excising of those phrases was attributed to the editors of the BDW. Not so. This was done in the 1979 BCP and the Catholics blindly followed the bad decision of the Episcopal Church.

Just one further note about the BDW. It is long, very very long. There is no confirmation rite and no ordinal. They have, by a stroke of pure genius added the marriage service from the 1928 which retains the beautiful “Dearly beloved…” introduction AND two versions of the Psalter, the modern RSV version in the 1979 BCP and the 1928 (and previous) version, which is the marvelous Miles Coverdale (long before the King James Bible) translation.

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

The Catholic Church allows Catholics to attend other churches as long as they do not take communion. As this is Vespers, there is no chance of this. So I would say, go for it. I expect some may not agree with this advice.

Quick advice needed.

There is a Lutheran(LCMS) church in my town that offers vespers every Wednesday night, can I go to this???

I have been searching for other things to do at Church to grow my spiritual life and my parish offers nothing extra. It’s just go to Mass Sunday and then wait for the next Sunday. I do occasionally go to adoration but I would really like to to attend vespers, so can I go to Luthern vespers?

 

[Chatter163]

Actually, I was thinking of the Post Communion prayer.

The 1928 book has this:

ALMIGHTY and everliving God, we most heartily thank thee, for that thou **dost vouchsafe to feed us who have duly received these holy mysteries with the spiritual food of the most precious Body and Blood of thy Son our Saviour Jesus Christ; and dost assure us thereby of thy favour and goodness towards us; and that we are very members incorporate in the mystical body of thy Son, which is the blessed company of all faithful people; and are also heirs through hope of thy everlasting kingdom, by the merits of his most precious death and passion. **And we most humbly beseech thee, O heavenly Father, so to assist us with thy grace, that we may continue in that holy fellowship, and do all such good works as thou hast prepared for us to walk in; through Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom, with thee and the Holy Ghost, be all honour and glory, world without end. Amen.

The excised words in the 1979 BCP are shown in bold face.

The red words were also excised in the 1979 BCP.

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

I grovel in mortification. Thank you. I thought there were others excised and I did not take the time to research properly.

The red words were also excised in the 1979 BCP.

 

[MarkBrown]

I would imagine that a Catholic can licitly attend any other rite which is under the authority of Rome, such as the Anglican Use Rite. Ask your priest or diocese if unsure.

The Anglican Use is not a seperate Rite. It is part of the Latin Rite. The Ordinariate is not a seperate rite, it is part of the Latin Rite.

Anglican Use is not restricted to only the Ordinariate. At least one Anglican Use parish is not joining the Ordinariate. Anglicans coming into the Church can still choose to enter the Church and not be part of the Ordinariate. The Pastoral Provision is still an alternative for Anglican Priest seeking to enter the Church.

 

[MarkBrown]

So would it be possible to do Evensong frm the BDW in any Catholic parish if the priest would do it?

You can do Evening Prayer/Song without a priest. The BODW has rubrics for non-clergy lead Evening Song/Prayer.

Let your priest know and the diocese. In my Diocese I met with instant approval and my priest gave me a set of keys to the parish to hold the service.

I have people from different backgrounds and parishes coming.

Check the ordinariate site for any groups near you or check the Anglo-Catholic for a map showing all the groups and parishes using the AU who are in or join or not joining the Ordinariate. Most hold Evening or Morning prayer. Some an AU Mass. If the group is Catholic, you can attend the Mass.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Quick advice needed.

There is a Lutheran(LCMS) church in my town that offers vespers every Wednesday night, can I go to this???

I have been searching for other things to do at Church to grow my spiritual life and my parish offers nothing extra. It’s just go to Mass Sunday and then wait for the next Sunday. I do occasionally go to adoration but I would really like to to attend vespers, so can I go to Luthern vespers?

If you have an Eastern Catholic church near you, try Vespers there. You may end up staying …

 

[ByzCathCantor]

The Anglican Use is not a seperate Rite. It is part of the Latin Rite. The Ordinariate is not a seperate rite, it is part of the Latin Rite.

Are there not multiple litugical rites within the Latin Church?

Western Rites and Churches

Immediately subject to the Bishop of Rome, the Supreme Pontiff, who exercises his authority over the liturgy through the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.

ROMAN/LATIN FAMILY OF LITURGICAL RITES
The Church of Rome is the Primatial See of the world and one of the five Patriarchal Sees of the early Church (Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem). Founded by St. Peter in 42 AD it was consecrated by the blood of Sts. Peter and Paul during the persecution of Nero (63–67 AD). It has maintained a continual existence since then and is the source of a family of Rites in the West. Considerable scholarship (such as that of Fr. Louis Boyer in Eucharist) suggests the close affinity of the Roman Rite proper with the Jewish prayers of the synagogue, which also accompanied the Temple sacrifices. While the origin of the current Rite, even in the reform of Vatican II, can be traced directly only to the 4th century, these connections point to an ancient apostolic tradition brought to that city that was decidedly Jewish in origin.

After the Council of Trent it was necessary to consolidate liturgical doctrine and practice in the face of the Reformation. Thus, Pope St. Pius V imposed the Rite of Rome on the Latin Church (that subject to him in his capacity as Patriarch of the West), allowing only smaller Western Rites with hundreds of years of history to remain. Younger Rites of particular dioceses or regions ceased to exist.

As a consequence of the Second Vatican Council’s Dogmatic Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Pope Paul VI undertook a reform of the Mass of the Roman Rite, promulgating a revised rite with the Missal of 1970. This Missal has since been modified twice (1975 and 2002). Mass celebrated in accordance with this missal is the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite.

At the time of the revised Missal’s promulgation in 1970 almost all Catholics assumed that the previous rite, that of the Missal of 1962, had been abolished. By decision of the Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI this general assumption has been declared false and the right of Latin Rite priests to celebrate Mass according to the former missal has been affirmed (Apostolic Letter Summorum Pontificum, 7 July 2007). Mass celebrated in accordance with the Missal of 1962 constitutes the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.

• Roman – The overwhelming majority of Latin Catholics and of Catholics in general.
– Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite. Mass celebrated in accordance with the Missale Romanum of 1970, promulgated by Pope Paul VI, currently in its third edition (2002). The vernacular editions of this Missal, as well as the rites of the other sacraments, are translated from the Latin typical editions revised after the Second Vatican Council.
– Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite. Mass celebrated in accordance with the Missale Romanum of 1962, promulgated by Blessed Pope John XXIII. The other sacraments are celebrated according to the Roman Ritual in force at the time of the Second Vatican Council. The Extraordinary Form is most notable for being almost entirely in Latin. In addition to institutes which have the faculty to celebrate the Extraordinary Form routinely, such as the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter and the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, any Latin Rite priest may now offer the Mass and other sacraments in accordance with norms of Summorum Pontificum.
– Anglican Use. Since the 1980s the Holy See has granted some former Anglican and Episcopal clergy converting with their parishes the faculty of celebrating the sacramental rites according to Anglican forms, doctrinally corrected.
• Mozarabic – The Rite of the Iberian peninsula (Spain and Portugal) known from at least the 6th century, but probably with roots to the original evangelization. Beginning in the 11th century it was generally replaced by the Roman Rite, although it has remained the Rite of the Cathedral of the Archdiocese of Toledo, Spain, and six parishes which sought permission to adhere to it. Its celebration today is generally semi–private.
• Ambrosian – The Rite of the Archdiocese of Milan, Italy, thought to be of early origin and probably consolidated, but not originated, by St. Ambrose. Pope Paul VI was from this Roman Rite. It continues to be celebrated in Milan, though not by all parishes.
• Bragan – Rite of the Archdiocese of Braga, the Primatial See of Portugal, it derives from the 12th century or earlier. It continues to be of occasional use.
• Dominican – Rite of the Order of Friars Preacher (OP), founded by St. Dominic in 1215.
• Carmelite – Rite of the Order of Carmel, whose modern foundation was by St. Berthold c.1154.
• Carthusian – Rite of the Carthusian Order founded by St. Bruno in 1084.

source: EWTN Library