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I now attend an Anglican church, though I am on my “journey home” to the Catholic Church, I love this church, God has been good to me there, He has ministered to me through some very godly and gracious people. It has been for a season though, and I now see it as my final step towards my home.
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apriltherese
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My husband and I were Episcopal (Anglican) for a while. Simply put, it just wasn’t enough for me. I tried looking up their apologetics on many different issues and I always ended up with a non-answer. IMO, they embrace too much diversity. Sometimes it does have to be black and white, you know? I do love them, though. Very friendly and charitable people (from my experiences with them).
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lak611
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Too much diversity is the reason why the person I know who is Lutheran (but ex-Episcopalian) converted to the Lutheran Church. Her Episcopal parish got a gay pastor. She converted to Lutheran. Her former Episcopal parish closed since the majority of the parishoners left.
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apriltherese
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Traditional/Conservative Episcopal beliefs are nearly identical to the Lutheran church, so that’s understandable. My stepfather’s family was Lutheran.
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lak611
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I have Lutheran family members also.
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Roman_Catholic_1
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I don’t know many Anglicans so I can’t make an informed opinion about them. I generally respect anyone’s beliefs as long as they don’t call me a Mary worshipper or something like that. (Would an Anglican call me that 
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I know for me using the Anglican church in my discussions with my anti-catholic father in law has really irked him. When he says things like, “Only Catholics would think that Christ is REALLY present in the Bread and Wine ( or grape juice for him
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Cough Anglicans Coughs
“Only Catholics would Baptize thier infants”
Cough Anglicans Cough
It drives him bonkers that there are Protestants out there who have different Biblical interpretations than him… Imagine that.
God bless
)I know for me using the Anglican church in my discussions with my anti-catholic father in law has really irked him. When he says things like, “Only Catholics would think that Christ is REALLY present in the Bread and Wine ( or grape juice for him
)”Cough Anglicans Coughs
“Only Catholics would Baptize thier infants”
Cough Anglicans Cough
It drives him bonkers that there are Protestants out there who have different Biblical interpretations than him… Imagine that.
God bless
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apriltherese
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Anglicans and Lutherans believe in the “Real Presence”, which is not the same thing as Transubstantiation. The latter, of course, is what the Catholics believe in. While for us Catholics the Eucharist is truly, physically changed into the Body and Blood of Christ, Anglicans and Lutherans (officially) believe this is only a spiritual change - that physically, it is still bread and wine. It seems like a small difference, but it’s not. I can safely say the True Eucharist is THE reason I came back to my RC faith.I don’t know many Anglicans so I can’t make an informed opinion about them. I generally respect anyone’s beliefs as long as they don’t call me a Mary worshipper or something like that. (Would an Anglican call me that
I know for me using the Anglican church in my discussions with my anti-catholic father in law has really irked him. When he says things like, “Only Catholics would think that Christ is REALLY present in the Bread and Wine ( or grape juice for him
Cough Anglicans Coughs
“Only Catholics would Baptize thier infants”
Cough Anglicans Cough
It drives him bonkers that there are Protestants out there who have different Biblical interpretations than him… Imagine that.
God bless
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Tonks40
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What do I think of Anglicans?
I married one!
He’s from Canada, and the church he attended in his small town (before they joined with the United Church of Canada) was very traditional. He’s dismayed by the American branch of the Anglican church; he would never accept woman priests, gay bishops, and the overall liberalization of this church.
He like how Catholicism has “stuck to their teachings” - so naturally, he’s considering converting.
Overally, good people. Just like the Mormons, Lutherans, Baptists, non-Denominationalists, and the occassional atheists that I know.
I married one!
He’s from Canada, and the church he attended in his small town (before they joined with the United Church of Canada) was very traditional. He’s dismayed by the American branch of the Anglican church; he would never accept woman priests, gay bishops, and the overall liberalization of this church.
He like how Catholicism has “stuck to their teachings” - so naturally, he’s considering converting.
Overally, good people. Just like the Mormons, Lutherans, Baptists, non-Denominationalists, and the occassional atheists that I know.
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EDKidd
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I belong to an Anglican church in the UK (for now anyway) and it is sad that many people have moved away from it, either to more evangelical style churches or to nowhere at all.
I think the reasons for this have been highlighted throughout this thread, in that Anglicanism appears to have become too liberal and too obsessed with not offending people who may not share the church’s beliefs.(It was described to me by a friend as a one size fits all Christianity)
I for one am about to begin my journey home and cannot wait. For me it is a shame that many of the good people clinging to my church as it falls away, may well do the same.
I think the reasons for this have been highlighted throughout this thread, in that Anglicanism appears to have become too liberal and too obsessed with not offending people who may not share the church’s beliefs.(It was described to me by a friend as a one size fits all Christianity)
I for one am about to begin my journey home and cannot wait. For me it is a shame that many of the good people clinging to my church as it falls away, may well do the same.
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GKC
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Can you specify where the “official” Anglican line on Real Presence might be found?
You’ll find many Anglicans who affirm the Council of Trent, Session XIII, canon 1, on the matter.
GKC
Anglicanus Catholicus
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manualman
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Anglican is nearly a word without meaning. When somebody says he is an Anglican, it doesn’t tell you anything about what he believes.
Admittedly, the same can be said if you swap in the word ‘catholic’ in the above phrase! But at least for catholicism, we can clarify that we are catholic and we believe the WHOLE thing and people will have a better idea. Not true for Anglicans. They’re like a box of chocolates…(insert Forest Gump here). And in America, faaar too many have the marshmallow insides!
Admittedly, the same can be said if you swap in the word ‘catholic’ in the above phrase! But at least for catholicism, we can clarify that we are catholic and we believe the WHOLE thing and people will have a better idea. Not true for Anglicans. They’re like a box of chocolates…(insert Forest Gump here). And in America, faaar too many have the marshmallow insides!
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GKC
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Yep. So you have to ask what he believes, sometime. Assuming you want to know.
There was a time when you could assume the Creeds, at least. But no longer.
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THutch04
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That’s actually not what I was taught when I was an Anglican.
Personally I have issues against the Episcopal Church (which is why I went to the Anglican Church in America in the first place). Although interestingly enough, some of the the most liberal Episcopalians I’ve found tend to be ex-Catholics…that’s not to say all ex-Catholics turn in that direction, just my experience. And I do know many Episcopalians (and Anglicans) who are very unhappy with the leadership in the Church.
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Contarini
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Some Anglicans believe this, many do not.
Lutherans certainly do not. You are completely misinformed about Lutheranism. Try reading the actual Lutheran teachings sometime. The Augsburg Confession, the Large Catechism, and the Formula of Concord are three good places to start.
Lutherans do not believe that the bread and wine are changed, true, but they believe that through the Word of God the true Body and Blood of Jesus are made present in, with, and under the bread and wine, so that everyone who receives the bread and wine in the Eucharist–even unbelievers–is receiving the body and blood of Jesus by the physical act of eating.
The difference between Lutherans and Catholics is not over how physical the presence is, but whetehr the presence transforms the elements or is simply added to them (also whether the presence remains after the liturgy is over).
Edwin
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apriltherese
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That’s exactly what I was saying, or at least trying to say. If I didn’t state it clearly enough, I’m sorry. My Lutheran grandmother had a discussion with me on this. I’ve also found this to be the case in the Episcopal church’s teachings. Of course, it very well could be that I am a bit confused on this subject, because I don’t see the difference in what you said and what I said.
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Steadfast
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Again, Edwin is my theological mancrush.
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Contarini
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We’re vaguer. Some of us are closer to Catholicism than the Lutherans, others farther away. As GKC will remind you, the 39 Articles are not considered binding by all Anglicans (I think he downplays them too much, but we can fight that out between us!).
Sorry for jumping on you. You made the Lutherans sound like they held a Calvinist “spiritual presence” view, which they specifically anathematized in the Formula of Concord. But I understand it can be hard to keep all the views straight. It’s my profession (Reformation-era theology, that is), and I find it plenty difficult!
Steadfast, I think I am not going to inquire what a “theological mancrush”
is, but it seems to have been intended as a compliment, so thanksEdwin
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Roman_Catholic_1
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Lets see what good old Wiki has to say about it Contarini
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_crush
Sounds harmless to me. Except for the word idolization
God bless
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