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Contarini said:
We’re vaguer. Some of us are closer to Catholicism than the Lutherans, others farther away. As GKC will remind you, the 39 Articles are not considered binding by all Anglicans (I think he downplays them too much, but we can fight that out between us!).

Sorry for jumping on you. You made the Lutherans sound like they held a Calvinist “spiritual presence” view, which they specifically anathematized in the Formula of Concord. But I understand it can be hard to keep all the views straight. It’s my profession (Reformation-era theology, that is), and I find it plenty difficult!

Steadfast, I think I am not going to inquire what a “theological mancrush”:eek: is, but it seems to have been intended as a compliment, so thanks:o

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Pardon? 39 what?

Six are good enough for me.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Pardon? 39 what?

Six are good enough for me.

GKC
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For the uninitiated, I think GKC is referring to the Six Articles promulgated under Henry VIII, which unambiguously affirmed a Catholic doctrine of the Real Presence some years after the schism from Rome (1546 was it?).

Edwin
 
OrthodoxDude said:
What do Catholics think of Anglicans?
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Much the same range of opinions as Catholics & Anglicans hold about groups other than themselves, probably.​

The official position of Catholicism, is one of respect, with denial of the validity of Anglican Orders & sacramental ministry, apart from Baptism. There is a great deal of collaboration between the two; as well as some sharing in Christian worship.

Some Catholics reflect this - others don’t. The same is true of Anglican attitudes to Catholicism.
 
Contarini said:
For the uninitiated, I think GKC is referring to the Six Articles promulgated under Henry VIII, which unambiguously affirmed a Catholic doctrine of the Real Presence some years after the schism from Rome (1546 was it?).

Edwin
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  1. And Transubstantiation, in fact. And other things that would cause the jaws to drop.
And while it lasted, Henry enforced it. With the stake.

GKC

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The word for the Lutheran concept of Real Physical Presence is “Consubstantiation.” (at least in the Missouri Syond which is the only one I’m remotely fmiliar with) I’m no latin scholar, but even I can discern the difference between it and Transubstantiation just by dissecting the words!

As for Anglicans… you never know until you bite into one. Well, maybe that’s taking the chocolates thing a bit too far!
 
I think you’ll find that while the expression “consubstantiation” is used by non-Lutherans to describe the Lutheran view of the Sacrament, Lutherans themselves studiously avoid it.

In fact, you will search far and wide in LCMS documents to find a reference to the term used to describe the Lutheran view of the Sacrament. They reject it because they believe that it (like Transubstantiation) forces the Sacrament into aristotelian categories ultimately alien to the Lord’s intention in instituting it.
 
lak611 said:
Too much diversity is the reason why the person I know who is Lutheran (but ex-Episcopalian) converted to the Lutheran Church. Her Episcopal parish got a gay pastor. She converted to Lutheran. Her former Episcopal parish closed since the majority of the parishoners left.
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It just plain laughable to read so many of your stereotypes about Anglicans. In truth, I believe that a great number of you have probably have never been to an Anglican service by how you seem to be describing them. True Anglicanism that is true to the worldwide church is very similar to Catholicism. Proactive gay activists are runnng a serious risk of being excluded from the worldwide communion by this fall if they do not conform to traditional church teachings on homosexuality. I’ll give you a clue; they are virtually the same as the RC teaching on homosexuality.
 
my opinion it doesnt matter wat side the boat u fell off of or how close u are. your still in the water
CRDAD
 
A better analogy might be of a sinking ship, some of the crew members and passengers of which began taking parts; the mast, a sail, the fo’c’sl, and using them to form other flotation devices.

Sometime a bit later those who stayed with the original vessel were able to repair it but by that time those who’d floated away had gone too far.
 
Steadfast said:
A better analogy might be of a sinking ship, some of the crew members and passengers of which began taking parts; the mast, a sail, the fo’c’sl, and using them to form other flotation devices.

Sometime a bit later those who stayed with the original vessel were able to repair it but by that time those who’d floated away had gone too far.
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Yes, that analogy speaks to me concerning my previous time as an Episcopalian. My parish was very conservative, but the church as a whole has been breaking apart.
 
CoE exists because Henry VIII wanted to marry another woman and the pope didn’t agree. (what a ridiculous reason to found a separate church…) Henry had 6 wives altogether. After that persecuting CC began. I feel sorry for Anglicans, they have gone far away from the Gospel, they are not able to defend the faith. CoE is a branch cut off the tree which is CC.
 
angelusm said:
CoE exists because Henry VIII wanted to marry another woman and the pope didn’t agree. (what a ridiculous reason to found a separate church…) Henry had 6 wives altogether. After that persecuting CC began. I feel sorry for Anglicans, they have gone far away from the Gospel, they are not able to defend the faith. CoE is a branch cut off the tree which is CC.
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The beginning of Anglicanism according to Eddie Izzard

youtube.com/watch?v=Ope-1Zb5t-k
WARNING, CONTAINS SOME SWEAR-WORDS & IS SOMEWHAT FLIPPANT TOWARDS CHRISTIANITY IN GENERAL, MAY OFFEND ONLY THE MOST PRUDISH AMONG US.
 
DL82 said:
The beginning of Anglicanism according to Eddie Izzard

youtube.com/watch?v=Ope-1Zb5t-k
WARNING, CONTAINS SOME SWEAR-WORDS & IS SOMEWHAT FLIPPANT TOWARDS CHRISTIANITY IN GENERAL, MAY OFFEND ONLY THE MOST PRUDISH AMONG US.
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Well, I guess I am among the most prudish, because I did find a lot of it offensive…

But I rolled off my chair laughing when he said “Today’s sermon comes from a magazine I found in a hedge.” 😃 I think I was in that church once.
 
angelusm said:
CoE exists because Henry VIII wanted to marry another woman and the pope didn’t agree. (what a ridiculous reason to found a separate church…) Henry had 6 wives altogether. After that persecuting CC began. I feel sorry for Anglicans, they have gone far away from the Gospel, they are not able to defend the faith. CoE is a branch cut off the tree which is CC.
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Good grief!! It is totally amazing that you actually believe this.
 
What do Catholics think of Anglicans?
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They are cool :cool:

I have many friends who are Anglicans both low and high Church,

I also have a very dear friend who is an Anglican Rector. 🙂
 
Sixtus said:
They are cool :cool:

I have many friends who are Anglicans both low and high Church,

I also have a very dear friend who is an Anglican Rector. 🙂
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I will pray for your friends, especially since their Church is going through so many difficulties now.
 
GKC said:
Not everyone is deep into history.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus
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True. I happen to love history. It was my second favourite subject in college. My favourite subject was English, especially 17th to 19th century British literature.
 
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