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lak611 said:
True. I happen to love history. It was my second favourite subject in college. My favourite subject was English, especially 17th to 19th century British literature.
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Me too. It drove me Catholic-ward, in college. Though only to where Chesterton was, when he wrote ORTHODOXY.

Who in the 17th-19th century?

GKC
 
GKC said:
Me too. It drove me Catholic-ward, in college. Though only to where Chesterton was, when he wrote ORTHODOXY.

Who in the 17th-19th century?

GKC
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Dickens, Hardy, Austen in particular. I also enjoyed Coleridge’s poetry.
 
GKC said:
A little before my time. I usually went for historians, and in fiction, genre writers, not classics.

GKC
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I studied the classics in my British literature course. My professor was an immigrant from Britain.

For my English composition course, I did my paper on Chesterton’s “Father Brown” mysteries. I also read Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis in high school theology class.
 
lak611 said:
I studied the classics in my British literature course. My professor was an immigrant from Britain.

For my English composition course, I did my paper on Chesterton’s “Father Brown” mysteries. I also read Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis in high school theology class.
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This will date me, but I’ve been a collector of Chesterton and Lewis (and Belloc, and lots of others), for 45 years.

GKC
 
GKC said:
This will date me, but I’ve been a collector of Chesterton and Lewis (and Belloc, and lots of others), for 45 years.

GKC
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👍 I have never read Belloc, but I love Chesterton and Lewis. I discovered them in school. I especially love Mere Christianity. I also love Tolkien. I read the Lord of the Rings series in junior high. I borrowed the books from an older cousin who had them.
 
lak611 said:
👍 I have never read Belloc, but I love Chesterton and Lewis. I discovered them in school. I especially love Mere Christianity. I also love Tolkien. I read the Lord of the Rings series in junior high. I borrowed the books from an older cousin who had them.
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Tolkien is another of those I’ve collected for all those years. I first read him in 1966, reading the LORD OF THE RINGS backwards, starting with RETURN OF THE KING.

GKC
 
My real quest to know the truth and build a real relationship with Christ moved me out of the Catholic church and into the Anglican church.
 
ACbishop said:
My real quest to know the truth and build a real relationship with Christ moved me out of the Catholic church and into the Anglican church.
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Might one ask which Anglican church?

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus
 
I like 'em.

Especially Lewis and Blamires.

I am often reminded of an Anglican ex-girlfriend who referred to herself as a junior-varsity Catholic. (no offense intended)

I think it was Belloc who pointed out that England was the only part of Europe that used to be part of the Roman Empire that went away from Rome, and well, they didn’t go far.
 
PapaSquash said:
I like 'em.

Especially Lewis and Blamires.

I am often reminded of an Anglican ex-girlfriend who referred to herself as a junior-varsity Catholic. (no offense intended)

I think it was Belloc who pointed out that England was the only part of Europe that used to be part of the Roman Empire that went away from Rome, and well, they didn’t go far.
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Belloc’s adulation of the Roman Empire and his argument about Saxon barbarism causing the Reformation is one of the most embarrassing things about him, IMHO.

Edwin
 
I’m more put off by his attitudes towards non-Europeans. but That would be another thread.
 
Contarini said:
Belloc’s adulation of the Roman Empire and his argument about Saxon barbarism causing the Reformation is one of the most embarrassing things about him, IMHO.

Edwin
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Hilaire certainly did have a Teutonic fixation (which Chesterton picked up and ran with), but I love Belloc, none the less. I’ve often thought that if I had the chance to dine with the authors I collect, Belloc at King’s Land, with a bottle of his home-made wine, would be my first choice.

But a few footnotes would have helped him a lot.

GKC
 
I like loads of them personally.

However, there is a sad lack of authority in the AC and a democratisation of doctrine that worries me for their sake.

Some of them are so close to being Catholics you wonder why they don’t just swim the Tiber. But then I guess they see Barney Masses in OC and swim back across! 😦
 
ACbishop said:
My real quest to know the truth and build a real relationship with Christ moved me out of the Catholic church and into the Anglican church.
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That’s facinating - please tell us more about it! I really would love to hear your experience, since I used to be Episcopal. 🙂
 
PapaSquash said:
I’m more put off by his attitudes towards non-Europeans. but That would be another thread.
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It’s the same thing. “Europe” to Belloc meant the medieval and post-medieval inheritance of the Western Christian Empire. (So in a sense Germans and Slavs were not “Europeans” to him.) I am not sure what he did with the Eastern Empire, but I don’t get the impression that he thought much of it.

Also, GKC, can you tell me what Belloc thought of Poland? Did he share your namesake’s admiration for it? Given his views about the Roman Empire, one would think not, but I don’t remember for sure. Did he persuade himself somehow that the Poles were really Roman while the Prussians weren’t?

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
It’s the same thing. “Europe” to Belloc meant the medieval and post-medieval inheritance of the Western Christian Empire. (So in a sense Germans and Slavs were not “Europeans” to him.) I am not sure what he did with the Eastern Empire, but I don’t get the impression that he thought much of it.

Also, GKC, can you tell me what Belloc thought of Poland? Did he share your namesake’s admiration for it? Given his views about the Roman Empire, one would think not, but I don’t remember for sure. Did he persuade himself somehow that the Poles were really Roman while the Prussians weren’t?

Edwin
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Now that’s an excellent question. My knee-jerk reaction is that he did share Chesterton’s opinion, generally. They were of the Faith, after all. But I need to look. If I turn up anything, I’ll report. Or if anyone else does, I’ll learn.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Now that’s an excellent question. My knee-jerk reaction is that he did share Chesterton’s opinion, generally. They were of the Faith, after all. But I need to look. If I turn up anything, I’ll report. Or if anyone else does, I’ll learn.

GKC
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It seems to me that he skirts the issue. He does account for Ireland by saying that it accepted Roman civilization “not as a conquest, but as a discovery.” He emphasizes the fact that the [Hussite] Bohemians were Slavs, but doesn’t mention Poland.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
It seems to me that he skirts the issue. He does account for Ireland by saying that it accepted Roman civilization “not as a conquest, but as a discovery.” He emphasizes the fact that the [Hussite] Bohemians were Slavs, but doesn’t mention Poland.

Edwin
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Thanks for the link. Skimming reveals a different picture than what I picked up from *Great Heresises *or Crisis of Civilization.

I shall read and return.
 
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