Anglicanism

[GKC]

It seems to me that he skirts the issue. He does account for Ireland by saying that it accepted Roman civilization “not as a conquest, but as a discovery.” He emphasizes the fact that the [Hussite] Bohemians were Slavs, but doesn’t mention Poland.

Edwin

I went to EUROPE AND THE FAITH, too. But I get a slightly different emphasis. It seems to me that he was saying that Ireland and Poland had some features in common (even while they were slightly different features); that while neither were from the Empire, both were of the Faith. Prussianism was a weed that covered Poland, but not it’s essence, and that while Poland, like the edges of the Germanies, might be shaken by the Reformation, the Faith would have recovered her. That is, the Faith trumped the Empire, in Poland’s case.

So I read, anyway.

GKC

 

[PapaSquash]

After reading the chapter The Defection of Britain, I should start by apologizing for bringing up Belloc in the same post as I expressed my affection for Anglicans. Sorry 'bout that. I must have been reading my own feelings for Lewis et al, into his mention of England’s being the only former Roman Province to break with the Church. Clearly he couldn’t have been saying anything as charitable as I thought, since he blames the survival of the reformation on the Church of England, and he blames the reformation for bringing civilization to the brink of ruin.

I think I still like him, though. He has ideas. I think some are slightly eccentric ideas, like his emphasis on the importance of Louis De Montfort and the battle of Muret. (Pivotal moment in Western Civilization, he said, and implies it was a miracle.)
He seems to like the “big moment.”

Thanks for taking the opportunity to teach me something.

 

[GKC]

After reading the chapter The Defection of Britain, I should start by apologizing for bringing up Belloc in the same post as I expressed my affection for Anglicans. Sorry 'bout that. I must have been reading my own feelings for Lewis et al, into his mention of England’s being the only former Roman Province to break with the Church. Clearly he couldn’t have been saying anything as charitable as I thought, since he blames the survival of the reformation on the Church of England, and he blames the reformation for bringing civilization to the brink of ruin.

I think I still like him, though. He has ideas. I think some are slightly eccentric ideas, like his emphasis on the importance of Louis De Montfort and the battle of Muret. (Pivotal moment in Western Civilization, he said, and implies it was a miracle.)
He seems to like the “big moment.”

Thanks for taking the opportunity to teach me something.

Belloc had a number of eccentric ideas. But, as one commentator (friendly ) said, he made his own mistakes, not anyone else’s.

I’m an Anglican and I’ve collected Belloc for 45 years. I like him, too.

GKC

Who has collected Lewis and Chesterton just as long. Ecumenical, that’s me.

 

[kotek]

I am an Anglican and I am a member of the Reformed Episcopal Church. Despite what GKC says about the Thirty-Nine Articles they are an authentic formulation of Anglican belief. The REC holds to them BUT at the same time they must be read in their historical context. As far as the “Real Presence” of Christ in the Eucharist we(and Anglicanism in general) has refused to precisely define the “how” but yet affirms that it is real. In explaining the Real Presence Anglicans are loathe to use any philosophical systems to define it. We can no more define the “how” of the Real Presence than we can explain how God created the universe, or the mystery of the Holy Trinity. The Anglican belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist can be summed up thus; “Christ is the one who spake it, and what His words do make it, that I believe and take it.”
My problem with Rome isn’t the Sacraments, Marian Dogma (I do pray the Rosary daily if possible, some Anglicans do you know) but the Roman view of Justification and the concept of “Merit” and Purgatory.

 

[GKC]

I am an Anglican and I am a member of the Reformed Episcopal Church. Despite what GKC says about the Thirty-Nine Articles they are an authentic formulation of Anglican belief. The REC holds to them BUT at the same time they must be read in their historical context. As far as the “Real Presence” of Christ in the Eucharist we(and Anglicanism in general) has refused to precisely define the “how” but yet affirms that it is real. In explaining the Real Presence Anglicans are loathe to use any philosophical systems to define it. We can no more define the “how” of the Real Presence than we can explain how God created the universe, or the mystery of the Holy Trinity. The Anglican belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist can be summed up thus; “Christ is the one who spake it, and what His words do make it, that I believe and take it.”
My problem with Rome isn’t the Sacraments, Marian Dogma (I do pray the Rosary daily if possible, some Anglicans do you know) but the Roman view of Justification and the concept of “Merit” and Purgatory.

Which illustrates what I said; you can easily find Anglicans who find the Articles to be the Real Thing. As you can find those you ignore them, in themselves (not all Articles are controversial). As a whole they are not an Anglican Confession, period. They are religion as statecraft, how Elizabeth I chose to manage a divided Church. Binding on no one in Anglicanism, outside the ordinands of the CoE, as I have explained. Unless it’s done voluntarily.

The REC is one place you can likely find Anglicans who affirm the Articles, as a whole, if you need to find such. The REC, as its name suggests, is located over on the reformed side of the historical Anglican spectrum. Though it has moved a little toward the center in the last view years (I doubt that you’d find many in the REC praying the Rosary, back in the day), it’s still a distance from Anglo-Catholicism. Where you will find me. Anglicans all.

No problem with the comments on the Real Prescence. Opinions as to the “how” in the Sacrament vary, none are de fide. Me, I think Trent sounds just fine.

GKC