Anglicans are being bashed because of ignorance of Anglicanism

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One of the several reasons I converted to the Catholic Church is the incredible we’re-enlightened-they-are-not attitude to those who hold an orthodox view of Anglicanism. As a progressive, I was well accepted in the group, but when I changed perspective I was condescended. That being said, there are some evangelical Anglicans who are condescending to the left, when they should rise above it by keeping progressives accountable. The issues must be laid out in the open and debated in a true ecumenical way, not glossed over, for the sake of convenience and therefore a false sense of unity. So far this hasn’t happened, due to the far-left being the majority for the A.C in North America and Europe, and they continue their diatribe and put-downs towards those who refuse to tow the party line. The claim of these progressives to being open to discussion is on their terms. Other (orthodox) Anglicans who challenge them are therefore pushed out of the circle. Thankfully the Catholic Church, in the spirit of orthodoxy and true discussion, is open to discussion while holding true to the Deposit of Faith.
 
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mark_a said:
You are right. I don’t know anything about the Anglican Communion. Here are some questions:

Which churches are members of the AC?

Do any members of the AC still see the king or queen of England as their leader?

Does the AC ever excommunnicate troublemakers?

I know the Catholic Church’s reasons for thinking the AC is not in communion with the Catholic Church, but what are the AC’s reasons?
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Can any Anglicans answer?
 
i was a member of the episcopal church for 47 years before i realized that i was a part of the anglican communion. althought out of those 47 years i didn’t go to any church for 30 years. then when i went back, i learned of the controversy and the anglican communion. i guess i thought the episcopal church had separated from the church of england after the revolutionary war.
that shows how much church history that i knew. there are so many anglican groups now. there is GAFCON, TAC, i don’t know all of the names of the different groups. i think the queen of england is still the head of the church of england and i think the archbishop of canterbury is selected by the prime minister, but i am not positive on that one. to be in line for the throne, you cannot be catholic. as far as being excommunicated, i cannot answer that one. as you can tell, growing up no one really explained to me what it meant to be episcopalian or really gave me much direction in my faith. the episcopal church seemed more like a country club to me. i have been roman catholic for one month now. hope that helped some, or maybe made you come up with new questions.
 
mark_a said:
You are right. I don’t know anything about the Anglican Communion. Here are some questions:

Which churches are members of the AC?

Do any members of the AC still see the king or queen of England as their leader?

Does the AC ever excommunnicate troublemakers?

I know the Catholic Church’s reasons for thinking the AC is not in communion with the Catholic Church, but what are the AC’s reasons?
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First of all, there are many churches that are part of teh Worldwide Communion of Anglicans. The churches of Uganda, Nigeria and Kenya come to mid right away and also the Diocese of the Southern Cone which is South America. (they do not ordain women either). The church of Canada and South Africa are provinces as well. The Episcopal church and the Church of England are just two of about twenty individual churches in the Communion.

The actual leader of the Anglican Communion is the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams in England, but he has all but lost the regard and respect of many churches in the Communion because of his lack of action involving those provinces that recognize same sex unions and such. Many of these churches that are not in good company with Williams have pretty much elected to recognize the Archbishops of their individual churches as their rightful leaders.

Finally, yes there are those churches in the AC which will excommunicate those who commit grave acts in contrast to our beliefs and doctrines.
 
SIA said:
First of all, there are many churches that are part of teh Worldwide Communion of Anglicans. The churches of Uganda, Nigeria and Kenya come to mid right away and also the Diocese of the Southern Cone which is South America. (they do not ordain women either). The church of Canada and South Africa are provinces as well. The Episcopal church and the Church of England are just two of about twenty individual churches in the Communion.

The actual leader of the Anglican Communion is the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams in England, but he has all but lost the regard and respect of many churches in the Communion because of his lack of action involving those provinces that recognize same sex unions and such. Many of these churches that are not in good company with Williams have pretty much elected to recognize the Archbishops of their individual churches as their rightful leaders.

Finally, yes there are those churches in the AC which will excommunicate those who commit grave acts in contrast to our beliefs and doctrines.
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Shlom lokh

But you still have to accept the fact that the silence is deafening. There is no really unity in the Anglican Communion. One church in the communion teaches homosexuality is absolutely okay, while another says it’s to be abhorred. One says the Sacraments (7) are necessary for salvation, and yet another will say that the Sacraments (they might only believe in 2) are alright, but won’t help you in anyway. How can you accept this relativism?

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
 
Harpazo said:
Shlom lokh

But you still have to accept the fact that the silence is deafening. There is no really unity in the Anglican Communion. One church in the communion teaches homosexuality is absolutely okay, while another says it’s to be abhorred. One says the Sacraments (7) are necessary for salvation, and yet another will say that the Sacraments (they might only believe in 2) are alright, but won’t help you in anyway. How can you accept this relativism?

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
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Where do you get all of these inconsistencies from?? My church doesn’t teach this.
 
SIA said:
Where do you get all of these inconsistencies from?? My church doesn’t teach this.
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Perhaps the church of Uganda doesn’t, but there are churches in the Anglican Communion that do. You are still in communion with them after all. Your particular church might be more “orthodox” than the others, yet there are other churches in the AC teaching horrendous heresies. The silence is deafening.

Please show me where the inconsistencies lie.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
 
if your church SIA is one which is upholding the truth of scripture, which i believe it is, you are right, your church is not.

however, there are other churches in the anglican communion, such as many episcopal churches, that are not upholding the truth of scripture and how they interpret the scripture is very liberal.
 
Harpazo said:
Perhaps the church of Uganda doesn’t, but there are churches in the Anglican Communion that do. You are still in communion with them after all. Your particular church might be more “orthodox” than the others, yet there are other churches in the AC teaching horrendous heresies. The silence is deafening.

Please show me where the inconsistencies lie.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
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and that is absolutely why the clergy of the Anglican Communion that is sick to death of this silence held GAFCON.
 
SIA perhaps if you were more charitable toward Catholics you would find them treating you with some charity

I have often seen you tell us what we think, and most of the time you are wrong. You are smug about the troubles we have faced, and gloat over it…The shoe is now on the other foot and it pinches a lot

Having said that, I am praying for the Anglicans, and take no pleasure in their situation, unlike you do with ours
 
SIA said:
and that is absolutely why the clergy of the Anglican Communion that is sick to death of this silence held GAFCON.
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Shlom lokh,

How can you sit there and accept the fact that you are in communion with churches that teach sinful practices as not being sinful? Being a part of another church in the Anglican Communion does not make the problems of the Anglican Communion go away.

Again, can you please show me where I was inconsistent in speaking about the disunity of Anglicanism?

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
 
redrosetea said:
SIA perhaps if you were more charitable toward Catholics you would find them treating you with some charity

I have often seen you tell us what we think, and most of the time you are wrong. You are smug about the troubles we have faced, and gloat over it…The shoe is now on the other foot and it pinches a lot

Having said that, I am praying for the Anglicans, and take no pleasure in their situation, unlike you do with ours
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