Anglicans in Australian Ordinariate Will Celebrate Mass Facing East and Using 500 yo Liturgy

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I was reading the anglocatholic.com blog and noticed a poster there referenced Archbishop Hepworth (Primate of the TAC) as saying, “Priests in Australia’s new Anglican Ordinariate will celebrate mass facing east, away from their congregations, using 500-year old liturgies.”

I searched to see if the quote the poster noted was accurate and found this article among others.

cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=24560

Also noted on David Virtue’s site virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=13657

Seems there is a lot of promise in the Anglican Ordinariate in terms of keeping the beauty of traditional Anglican Liturgical worship.

Fr. Phillips (Anglican Use priest in the RCC) has a large and vibrant Catholic Community with a beautiful English style church.

atonementonline.com/

atonementonline.com/sanctuary.php
 
Wonderful! Maybe the Novus Ordo can learn a few things from them;)
 
RevDrNorth said:
I was reading the anglocatholic.com blog and noticed a poster there referenced Archbishop Hepworth (Primate of the TAC) as saying, “Priests in Australia’s new Anglican Ordinariate will celebrate mass facing east, away from their congregations, using 500-year old liturgies.”

I searched to see if the quote the poster noted was accurate and found this article among others.

cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=24560

Also noted on David Virtue’s site virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=13657

Seems there is a lot of promise in the Anglican Ordinariate in terms of keeping the beauty of traditional Anglican Liturgical worship.

Fr. Phillips (Anglican Use priest in the RCC) has a large and vibrant Catholic Community with a beautiful English style church.

atonementonline.com/

atonementonline.com/sanctuary.php
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For us not aware of the Anglican tradition, could you enlighten us why “facing east”? whys is it significant?
 
pablope said:
For us not aware of the Anglican tradition, could you enlighten us why “facing east”? whys is it significant?
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Ad orientem is a feature of the TLM also. It is not specifically Anglican. 👍
 
Elijah_Baley said:
Ad orientem is a feature of the TLM also. It is not specifically Anglican. 👍
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And of every other Rite of the Church, except Maronites in very recent times. Even in the early Church when basilicas were built facing West, the congregation would turn to face East with their backs to the altar.
 
Facing East is given by St. John Damascene in the De Fide Orthodoxa as a basic, unquestioned aspect of Christian prayer. It has only been neglected recently (past two centuries, I think).
 
I find this very exciting and hope to attend a service once it is established. I tried several times to register as a ‘friend’ but there is some fault with the process.
 
Theres a church belonging to the TAC in my city, not too far from me, and closer than the ones offering the TLM. Perhaps i should consider attending some of their masses once they join the ordinariate every once in a while, say if i can’t attend the TLM due to time or something (especially considering the modernistic masses in the local churches nearby [at least the ones ive attended before])

Anyways its a good thing that the ordinariate in my country will be defenders of orthodoxy and tradition, perhaps the latin church of the roman rite here in Australia can learn a thing or two from them, especially in my city where the local Archbishop basically ignored summorum pontificum and hinders the local TLM communities. (preventing weekday masses in the EF at one church for example)
 
There are a lot of good things coming out of the Anglican Ordinariate and many interesting development seem to be happening at the same time. For example the beatification of Cardinal Newman, maybe the best known of Anglican converts to Roman Catholicism, and one who coincidentally said so many things that are very applicable in our times and in the present situation in view of modernism and loss of traditional values. As a child I attended a church that was built by Pugin, a friend and follower of Newman and also a convert from Anglicanism. That so many Anglicans should choose to follow Newman in the year of his beatification may be a coincidence or there may be a deeper connection. I visited Canterbury Cathedral and there is a plaque there in the place that Thomas Beckett was murdered and it says that Pope John Paul II and the Archbishop of Canterbury prayed in that place together for the unity of the Church. I believe their prayers are being heard.
 
So I went to the our Lady of the Atonement website and I am so jealous or is it envious?? LOL! 🙂
I watched the services videos on the front page. I guess it’s sort of like the TLM but in English?? All the incensing very cool too…
I prefer a lot of congregational interaction and in the vernacular.
 
Actually all this is speculation as to which liturgy will be approved by the CDF for Anglicans. In each country Anglicans have their own distinct liturgies and at this time no one knows whether they will have one or more different lilturgies within the Ordinariates.

As far as facing East this is part of the Anglican tradition. In the US all the Anglican Use parishes follow the BDW and will be joining the Ordinariate where they will have protection, that they didn’t have under the Pastoral Provision. This means that the Ordinary working with the CDF directly can establish AU parishes without the local Bishop. In the past many Bishops would not allow AU parishes in their dioceses.

All Catholics will have another option besides the OF or EF to attend, if a parish is close enough for them to travel to.

In the beginning I believe that there will only be a few parishes in different states in the US, but as time goes on, more will be established.

I thank God for His grace in bringing many into the Catholic Church and allowing Anglicans to bring their Patrimony and traditions with them.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
Dave_in_Dallas said:
So I went to the our Lady of the Atonement website and I am so jealous or is it envious?? LOL! 🙂
I watched the services videos on the front page. I guess it’s sort of like the TLM but in English?? All the incensing very cool too…
I prefer a lot of congregational interaction and in the vernacular.
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Dave,

There is an Anglican Use parish in Arlington, it is called St. Mary the Virgin. The priest is from England and is the only AU priest that uses Rite II. I believe this will change once the Ordinariates have a new liturgy. He does celebrate Rite I, the one at OLA earlier, but I don’t know if it is a low Mass.

There is an Anglican parish coming into the Ordinariate that is in Irving and serves the Hispanic community. I don’t recall the name, but I am sure that once it is established as a Catholic church more information will be available.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
I like both traditional and contemporary worship music but I prefer the majesty of the traditional style of liturgical worship (even if they were to use contemporary music).

I think this is good news. I also think the Orthodox have a point when they point out that their style of worship conveys something to the senses. Tradtional liturgical worship within Anglican and Roman Catholic settings conveys that same message about something beyond here and now that transcends time, the majesty of the splendor of God (reverence) and so on.

The ordinariates promise to be something wonderful and invigorating to both Anglicans and Catholics.

May God grant Benedict XVI many more years of active leadership to the world.
 
BernadetteM said:
Actually all this is speculation as to which liturgy will be approved by the CDF for Anglicans. In each country Anglicans have their own distinct liturgies and at this time no one knows whether they will have one or more different lilturgies within the Ordinariates.

As far as facing East this is part of the Anglican tradition. In the US all the Anglican Use parishes follow the BDW and will be joining the Ordinariate where they will have protection, that they didn’t have under the Pastoral Provision. This means that the Ordinary working with the CDF directly can establish AU parishes without the local Bishop. In the past many Bishops would not allow AU parishes in their dioceses.

All Catholics will have another option besides the OF or EF to attend, if a parish is close enough for them to travel to.

In the beginning I believe that there will only be a few parishes in different states in the US, but as time goes on, more will be established.

I thank God for His grace in bringing many into the Catholic Church and allowing Anglicans to bring their Patrimony and traditions with them.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
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I’m inclined to agree with you. All of this is speculation. The Latin Rite is firmly committed to the OF and the move is to ecumenism instead of universality. My own preferred liturgy is the untranslated EF (or even the Sarum Rite) but I have to be realistic. The EF will be brought into the Vatican II era one way or another eventually. The Anglican Use, no doubt, will be revised to the new English text language (“consubstantial”, “for many”, ect.) approved by bishops for the OF, especially if it becomes more popular. And I would be very surprised if the Church would revert to an old rite which effectively was abrogated by the 1570 decree of Quo Primum. Even those rites which survived this decree, mostly in the Eastern Rites, appear to be undergoing revisions, mostly to make much of them in the nationalized and modernized language. This is, of course, not well received by the traditionalists. And I don’t blame them.
 
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I’m inclined to agree with you. All of this is speculation. The Latin Rite is firmly committed to the OF and the move is to ecumenism instead of universality. My own preferred liturgy is the untranslated EF (or even the Sarum Rite) but I have to be realistic. The EF will be brought into the Vatican II era one way or another eventually. The Anglican Use, no doubt, will be revised to the new English text language (“consubstantial”, “for many”, ect.) approved by bishops for the OF, especially if it becomes more popular. And I would be very surprised if the Church would revert to an old rite which effectively was abrogated by the 1570 decree of Quo Primum. Even those rites which survived this decree, mostly in the Eastern Rites, appear to be undergoing revisions, mostly to make much of them in the nationalized and modernized language. This is, of course, not well received by the traditionalists. And I don’t blame them.
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Or the Tridentine Mass (I’m not going to call the standard form of the Roman Rite the “extraordinary form” - sorry!) might become more widespread as people grow bored with the liturgical experimentation and youth flee to something more substantial, and the Novus Ordo is revised to bring it closer to the spirit of the Tridentine Mass and Vatican II until the full glory of the Liturgy is restored. This probably isn’t as optimisticalliy unrealistic as it sounds; can you really imagine guitars and bongos drums remaining fashionable forever? Tradition is permanent; novelties fall in and out of fashion.

I would not be too surprised if we did restore something abrogated in 1570. The true spirit of Vatican II (the same one which gave us the 1962 Missal, and reformed and purified the Mass of All Ages into the form it is said by groups like the FSSP,) meant to encourage ressourcement and restoration of the pristine purity of the Church’ Liturgy, and this includes the legitimate diversity of the Church’s liturgical life - hence, the encouragement of the Anglican Use and the renewed appreciation for the Eastern Rites, and the legitimate process of purification and de-Latinization that has been going on in the East (while some regrettable tendencies have been implemented, such as the replacing of Slavonic by English in order to accomodate the influx of “Latin exiles” who don’t know Slavonic and the introduction of pews, most of the changes have been absolutely wonderful from a Traditional point of view - we’ve restored the iconostases, restored the traditional plainchant in place of having the Liturgy spoken, we’ve been drawing more and more from authentic Byzantine (monastic) spirituality such as hesychastic prayer, we put the homily back into its proper place after the Gospel rather than having it at the end of Liturgy or omitting it entirely, restored the distribution of antidoron, etc. etc. etc.)

It would be consistent within the spirit of these reforms to actually go the whole way and restore the local variants of the Western Rite - the Sarum Use, the Mozarabic and Ambrosian rites which are practically non-existent today, and even the old Gallican uses. I have great hope that once people grow bored with the nonsense we’ll see a real liturgical flowering the Church.

In the meantime, merry Christmas! Christ is Born! Glorify Him!
 
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