Anglicans want to defect to Rome

[ComradeAndrei]

If they came to Rome because they professed ‘One Faith, One Church, One Authority on earth’ then yes,

But if they are coming to Rome out of protest to the rest of the Anglican Communion against the ordination of women and gays, then a definite NO!

I don’t see why Anglicans would convert to Catholicism merely to protest certain progressive elements in the Anglican Communion. They could always join the Forward in Faith type of Anglican groups. Or, if the Global South gains more influence, the more conservative Anglican/Anglo-Catholics can align with them after they boot the progressives out of the Anglican Communion.

However, if the nonsense going on in the Anglican Communion is what gets the fire started underneath them I say its good. It would seem a person would have to start with something.

 

[ComradeAndrei]

Society is made up of a diverse range of individuals with competing ideologies, lifestyles and sexual orientation.

That is not a true “diversity”. This sort of definition for diversity is much like the definition for “liberty” that is actually more descriptive of license.

Now you may wish to call it sexual abberation, but I would call such a view bigotry.

What does the Church teach about homosexual acts?

Society is very diverse. Unless diversity is recognised and diverse individuals are empowered then they will continue to feel marginalised. Eventually, they will leave not because they don’t fit but because they were not made to feel welcome.

That sounds like a rather tortured PC text book phrase.

What you think of my Catholicism is upto you. Judge me on my postings. But like it or not, there IS diversity within Catholicism.

True diversity in Catholicism takes the form of the recognized Rites within the Church (as others have mentioned) or matters of opinion that we are free to hold or not hold. For example, NO/TLM/Eastern DL- faithful and orthodox Catholics can differ in their opinions as to which Mass/DL they’d rather assist at.

If the Christian Church is ever to become ‘one’ again, it can only happen through acceptance of a diverse range of ways to worship and a respect for the various Protestant traditions which have evolved since the Reformation.That is the natural product of human evolution. It will not go away. Pentecostilists are never going to beat their breasts and say ‘mei culpa’. We either embrace diversity or we remain a divided Christianity.

Nope, this sounds rather like indifferentism. If Pentacostals aren’t willing to strike their breast and say “mea culpa”, I really doubt they are going to go along with transubstantiation and the primacy/infallibility of the Pope.

We will have unity through the grace of God and with a return (no conditions) to Rome.

 

[thistle]

I am a life-long committed practicing catholic.

But I will be the first to speak against Anglicans defecting to Rome.

We are different in culture. Anglicansim is just to rich and diverse to risk re=alignment with Rome. It is my hope it will never happen

You are then going against the teachings of Christ and his Church. Your comments are very un-Christian and uncharitable.

 

[GKC]

I don’t see why Anglicans would convert to Catholicism merely to protest certain progressive elements in the Anglican Communion. They could always join the Forward in Faith type of Anglican groups. Or, if the Global South gains more influence, the more conservative Anglican/Anglo-Catholics can align with them after they boot the progressives out of the Anglican Communion.

However, if the nonsense going on in the Anglican Communion is what gets the fire started underneath them I say its good. It would seem a person would have to start with something.

Or, they could join one of the Continuing Anglican Churches.

GKC

 

[ComradeAndrei]

True, they could do that as well.

 

[Sixtus]

ComradeAndrei

Re: Anglicans want to defect to Rome
Quote:If they came to Rome because they professed ‘One Faith, One Church, One Authority on earth’ then yes,

But if they are coming to Rome out of protest to the rest of the Anglican Communion against the ordination of women and gays, then a definite NO!

My arguement exactly.

I was PM’d about an alleged charasmatic priest who ‘came to Rome’ but I can also cite a story about a non-Catholic Minister who came, preached the Blessed Sacrament then defected again, renouncing the Sacrament on his way out!

I suggest the last state was worse than the first.

If they come with a genuine convert spirit of humility and sencerity, fine but if they come with the arrogance of protest at their own denom, then better they do not come at all!

 

[ComradeAndrei]

True, but I still want them to come home to Rome. I think that with an increased liberality with the “pastoral provision” and the Anglican Use, we could be ready to accept those Anglicans who have seen the light as a result of recent happenings within their own communion. I would certainly want to make sure that they weren’t coming over to be Roman-flavored Anglicans-that are still Anglican. When one swims the Tiber, they don’t come with conditions!

I guess my point was that I see it as a good thing that Anglicans are getting riled up over all the problems in their communion. If they filter themselves into the Forward in Faith or Continuing Anglican groups, that’s a step in the right direction. I think this kind of soul searching brings people to Rome.

 

[mean_owen]

Lot’s of good points have been made on this thread. As an Episcopalian (and former big-C Catholic), my guess is that any and all defections to Rome will be on an individual basis only–not by entire groups, national Anglican Churches, etc. It would be very hard to get an entire group to make the switch if the clergy, and especially the bishops, had any concerns about their status following reunification. (some of these points were addressed by others earlier in the thread)

Would increased availability of Anglican Use liturgies help attract disgruntled Anglicans? Unless there are already a lot of Catholics interested in attending Anglican Use liturgy, I doubt it would be a good investment (though I’d like to see one). In the US at least, there’s a large concentration of disaffected TEC members in South. Generalizations are always dangerous, but my experience there was that those folks would not be heading Rome-wards any time soon, and would therefore not be too likely to make the switch. Some of the other areas with a lot of dissent (the Dio of Springfield IL comes to mind), may or may not be more RC-friendly, but have never had large a large Episco-presence. So I can’t see that would but a good investment, either.

Let’s face it, there are a lot of similarites between our worship, hierarchical structures, etc. Yet, even if we could take back some of the innovations of the last 50-100 years or so (birth control, allowing divorced/remarried bishops, women priests, acceptance of homosexuality), there were still plenty of doctrinal differences back then between our churches, and there still are. Yet, these people have stayed in the Anglican or Continuing Churches up to this point without converting to the Catholic church. So we may see lot’s of people running away from the the Episcopal Church and other liberal churches in the Anglican Communion, but as Catholics, you really want to be sure that they are running toward you, and not just away from their previous churches.